Council tax rebel, 71, jailed AGAIN for refusing to pay bill until her street is 'cleared of drugs and prostitution'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/a ... ge_id=1770

A Mail favourite.

Council tax rebel, 71, jailed AGAIN for refusing to pay bill until her street is 'cleared of drugs and prostitution'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/a ... ge_id=1770

A Mail favourite.

Man, 74, died after days trapped with head stuck down drain

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... drain.html

thats what happens when you read the Mail.

This is a horrible story, a tragic and I should think bloody uncomfortable way to go.

John in Norfolk, Chris Needler in Hull, Ali in Liverpool. You're all cunts.

Old people with dementia have a duty to die and should be pushed towards death, says Baroness Warnock


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... rnock.html

Warnock might just start a sensible debate on this, but not with the Daily Mail readership, many of whom fall ito the elderly category themselves.

ps. my Dad died aged 84, my Mum is still going strong aged 89. Her older sister is 99, so there is hope for me yet!

The Stupid


The Sensible

The debate is interesting, but I agree with some chappy I read in the Torygraph today, I don't want to live in a society that has any kind of pressure on the 'duty' of dying. I'm for euthanasia, but only in specific cases.

I'm sorry, but I disagree with you, cycloon. So does the British medical establishment. I think Barnoess Warnock may have started a worthy debate, but I am broadly against euthanasia.

I used to think assisted dying was a pretty nifty idea, what with the avoidance of some terrible suffering. After reading a discussion about it in The Moral State We're In by Julia Neuberger, however, I came to the conclusion that it's not something I'm in favour of. Assisted suicide changes the relationship that medical professionals have with their paitients, hence the opposition of the BMA. Plus, I suspect that elderly people will feel pressure upon them to die in order to stop being a burden on their children.

Personally I think we need a proper definition of death in relation to an individuals personality and that when they become sufficiently senile that they are no longer the original person they should be looked upon as organ banks.

Agree with cycloon on this. I don't think the baronesses comments are particularly helpful (calling people 'demented' ) and are bound to fan the flames of an already firey subject.



Dick

I find the most depressing part of it all those young relatives of these vegetables that can't accept that their parents are no longer there and waste so much time and effort caring for a zombie.

Wasen't old people killing themselves or 'going away' to die something that occured in various parts of the world in centuries past? So they wouldn't be a burden on their family and larger social group.

I am for euthanasia when it there is a clear wish on the part of the patient to die. I do not feel this changes the doctor-patient relationship in any meaningful way. Keeping someone alive against their wishes is surely a gross abuse of their rights as a human being.

That's...ok. I wasn't looking for a discussion as such. ^^

Yes, it changes the relationship medical professionals have with their patients. Because it is diametrically opposed to their stated intent.

That doesn't mean it's wrong, in some specific cases, in my view. I'm not as up on this as I was a few years back, but I don't see why this cannot be taken into account without a total paradigm shift in medical care. If the explicit purpose of medicine remains to help people stay alive and well, but with the understanding that sometimes some people will want to die, then I don't see the problem (without going into the morality of it).

Woman, 77, is tagged over cocaine

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/cornwall/7664014.stm

I wonder what Mail readers would make of this?

The Mail spin on the story would be that she was a war hero who would have stormed the beaches of Normandy except she was only ten at the time and, sadly, a she. The would-be veteran of the Korean War and the Borneo Unpleasantness (she was still a she) was only trying to supplement her meagre pension because Judas McBroon had plundered the system of sixty trillion pounds over the last eleven years of the NuLieBlairBrown junta.

Simple really.