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I notice that this council is a NOC council between Lib Dem and Tory. Why do I think if it were controlled by ZanuLab it'd be emblazoned everywhere?


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It's nothing to do with health and safety, she is in effect running a business and doesn't have public liability insurance policy to run said business.


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if she inadvertently gave somebody bad food-poisoning with one of her cakes she might well find herself facing a hefty compensation claim.

Is that what the insurance would cover? (geniune question, I don't know about this stuff)


Unless she carried out appropriate risk assessment, I doubt she could get insured.


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Our place has started to become a bit touristy and I was thinking of selling Traditional Acorn Raki but this has put me off.

I think it is a bit sad, but insurance is there for a reason. She may secretly put a Dorset Naga into the mix and what with the shortage of toilets..........


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Father crushes son, 6, to death by accidentally running him over with JCB

Terrible event.

Will any Mail reader have the brass neck to bring up the subject of elf'n'safety? You bet.

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How tragic. Why didn't the health and safety people prevent this? The father must be devastated...

- Harry, Portsmouth


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How 'crazy' new Health and Safety rules on ladders could add £1,000 to home repairs

My advice to any person who finds their contractor adding £1,000 to the bill due to the "crazy new" rules is to find a firm that actually understands the regulations. Further down the story after all the usual frothing, we find:

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The Government’s Working at Height Regulations, which were introduced in 2005 following a European Union directive, state: ‘Every employer shall ensure that a ladder is used for work at height only if a risk assessment...has demonstrated that the use of more suitable work equipment is not justified because of the low risk and (a) the short duration of use or (b) existing features on site which he cannot alter.’

Some firms have interpreted this to mean that ladders are banned in all but exceptional circumstances, although the HSE strongly denies this is the case.


Sounds reasonable to me. The rules were introduced in 2005 anyway so they are hardly "new". This story is a fine example of how the Mail works: headline in accordance with Mail doctrine, plenty of frothing from people who do not really seem to understand the situation, explanation of why they and the headline are completely wrong buried down near the bottom of the story.

Plenty of foaming in the mouth in the comments, including this stunning eschewal of commas, full stops, correct spelling and capital letters:

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and we wonder why our country is falling apart idiots behind a govenment approved desk hidden from all blame dictating to the populas roll on the revolution my children

- chaos wizard, UK


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Some firms have interpreted this to mean that ladders are banned in all but exceptional circumstances, although the HSE strongly denies this is the case.

I love that bit.
"Some firms said ladders were banned, but the body that actually looks after H&S said it wasn't. We at the Mail believe the firms, obviously"

That sounds a lot like 'the government says crime is falling, man in pub says it's rising. So it's rising'


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This is something no doubt littejohn will comment on: “Banned by the goggle police: How 'elf and safety has stopped a man swimming in his local pool after 30 years

The Daily Mail labels “elf and safety nazi’s” “goggle police” for stopping him using his goggles:

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'I've used these goggles in more than 100 different pools in countries including Germany, Spain, France and Portugal and no one else has ever complained or questioned why I am using them.

'I'm not allowed to wear them here because they cover my nose. They just don't seem to like the shape of the frame.”


Now, a typical Mail reader’s reaction will agree with the paper’s stance on “Elf and safety gone mad; why are they getting involved? Littlejohn will probably use a made up Dad’s army sketch


But what was the spin-free justification on banning these googles?


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But pool bosses defended their decision to eject Mr Grimm - declaring his goggles were not shatterproof and breached industry guidelines.
Centre manager Gary Dark said: 'Non-shatterproof panels in enclosed environments can cause facial injury on impact with pool surfaces or other bathers and may pose a further hazard in relation to broken glass remaining on the pool floor.
'Full face masks that cover the nose can also cause breathing difficulties if water is swallowed and may restrict vision which can cause an accident.'




Yeah, thought so: they actually had a valid reason. This is just an illustration of how the Mail manipulates stories to its own scare-mongering agenda. You implement safety guidelines, they label you a Nazi.

You really couldn’t make it up



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All he has to do is tell them he's a Jedi Knight that this type of face mask is absolutely essential to preserve the 'Force' or some other clap trap.

- Mike Randall, Worcester England, 19/9/2008 12:14


er, yeah. *backs away slowly*




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Common sense out the window. YOU MUST OBEY THE RULES!!!!

- Brian Tomlin, Morpeth, England, 19/9/2008 12:10



Common sense is not having dangerous googles in a pool you thick muppet. Try THINKING.




here we are, common sense:

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Here we go again. Somebody who doesn't think the rules should apply to him. If the glass is not shatterproof then the risk is obvious. Nobody would argue that people should be allowed to take glass bottles near a swimming pool would they? If he gives me his address I will buy him some new ones.

- Billy Blighty, Sydney, Australia, 19/9/2008 0:48






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Masks which cover the nose may restrict vision? I suggest that whoever came up with that pathetic excuse need to take a long look at their reflection in a mirror. Either that or they seek urgent medical advice.

- Jimmy R, Scotland, 19/9/2008 1:42


Cunt missses the point.



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Bonkers Britain.

- helen harrison-parker, berlin, 19/9/2008 1:45



Fuck off.





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So perhaps this centre manager can explain how this man's plastic face mask differs from somebody wearing plastic goggles and a nose clip which are allowed and sold by most leisure centres.
The comment about breathing difficulties are complete rot and this man knows it. He is obviously trying to cover up a decision that he knows was plain stupid and lacking in common sense. As for the 'misting up' comment and poor visibility everyone who has ever worn goggles, as opposed to a face mask, knows that they mist up as well.
I would suggest that this leisure centre stops selling such items if they are doing so, in case they breach H & S legislation.

- Dave, Gloucester, 19/9/2008 2:16


Utter cunt.




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These idiots who run the swimming pool, should be sacked, and replaced with people who have some brains who can make sensible decisions. Such morons should be sweeping the roads, or cleaning toilets, no ofence to people who allready do such jobs.

- D Walmsley, Leeds, 19/9/2008 3:29



This is awful.



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So Mr Grimm is not capable of making his own decisions? Or should that be making his own risk assessment? We are not allowed to think for ourselves any more, or decide what or what not to wear. Some people have an awful lot to answer for these days. It's enough to make your teeth itch.

- James Mills, Liverpool, England, 19/9/2008 3:31


He is obviously not capable, no.



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Welcome to Britain, full of jobsworths. Let the man swim!

- Jade, Northampton, 19/9/2008 3:35




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"'My lenses are plastic" -of course he's safe for forty years. What kind of idiot is running that pool? Oh, yes some Government dibble!

- Steve, Chicago, USA, 19/9/2008 4:16







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So is there anyone left in Britain that isn't a do-gooder, busybody? Until someone falls flat on their face on some concrete and the goggles shatter, they shouldn't have anything to say.

Oh wait, even if they do shatter, they still shouldn't have anything to say. Good lord, UK. What a bunch of pansies you've become!

- Matt, Fairfax, VA, USA, 19/9/2008 5:25






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I'm a jobsworth, I'm a jobsworth.....etc! Nuliebour have given power to more little Hitlers than any preceeding government!

- John Smith, London UK, 19/9/2008 5:49




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Everyday I hate this country a little more...

- tina harper, london, 19/9/2008 6:35


That's what reading the Mail does for you.


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Its a pity these useless swimming-pool people can´t find a proper job.

- steve lee, whitley bay, geordieland, 19/9/2008 8:19



eh, it is a real job



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I wondered what today's unbelievable nonsense in Britain's Brave New World would be - now I know. Will we ever have a day off from this meddling?

- charlie, Athens, Greece, 19/9/2008 8:35





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Health and safety gets a bad press, sometimes justified, but this time they're right. The plastic isn't shatterproof and if that broke in the pool by say another swimmers foot kicking out accidently it could be very serious. Surely he can go down to his local sports shop and buy a modern pair?

- Gordon Kerr, Stroud, 19/9/2008 8:44


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The pool bosses are just doing what they think is best and safest.
Please let us not have lots of "This is the final straw, I am leaving this once-great nation" etc, as this is an isolated case.

- graeme carter, London, UK, 19/9/2008 8:44



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Health and safety in the country, has gone, quite literally mad!

- louise, suffolk, 19/9/2008 8:49




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Don't give in! Keep going to the same pool and using the same goggles, if anyone comes in the water and touches you have them arresed for assault. I really don't know what they can actualy do in terms of action apart from bang off non existant EU "guidelines". If they threaten to call the police ignore them, just keep swimming like you have done for 40 years, wait for them to arrive and see for themselves just how pathetic this is. I'm sure if enough people let it go that far the police and courts would start noticing the massive WASTE OF TIME health and safety is when applied in these situations.

While they are harrassing people over trees & goggles, an unscruplous employer is putting his workers in grave danger every minute. That was the whole point of health and safety, to protect people from that.

- Cheryl, Mansfield UK, 19/9/2008 9:33


What an idiot.


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These idiots who run the swimming pool, should be sacked, and replaced with people who have some brains who can make sensible decisions. Such morons should be sweeping the roads, or cleaning toilets, no ofence to people who allready do such jobs.

- D Walmsley, Leeds, 19/9/2008 3:29


D Walmsley of Leeds is a prick, no ofence to D Walmsley of Leeds.


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Can you imagine the headline if the blokes goggles had broken and caused him an eye injury or left broken glass on the pool floor for someone to step in;

FRAIL PENSIONER LEFT BLINDED DUE TO LAZY POOL ATTENDENTS

If it was some kid wearing such things it would be a different response entirely


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havnt glass masks been banned in pools since the seventies?..why doesnt this prick just buy some plastic ones?


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Roland Grimm? No fairy tale. He has form in yon Swiss Cottage.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4819942.stm

Sounds like a professional moaner, eccentric or vexatious litigant. He objected to the re-development of said baths (rightly or wrongly) and is quoted as being from Save Swiss Cottage Baths.

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Standing by his objections, Mr Grimm said: "You can't replace two 33m pools with one 25m pool, before you know it this pool is going to be completely overcrowded."



Having looked at the same story on other papers' sites, Mirror, Metro, Telegraph, Times et al, and the euphemism 'Daily Mail Reporter' , it looks like they are all lazy bastards and merely copy/pasted freelance shite.


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Fury as school bans playground games - for health and safety reasons

I hear a distant rumble, I suspect it might well be a tidal wave of bigotted shit heading straight for the comment space of this story. But, while we wait...

'Ugly' scenes at scout jamboree as parents are charged £10 health and safety fee to pick up their children

First some sense...

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It is nothing to do with Health ands Safety just about how to rip off the public.
I how all memebers of the public will now avoid the place and they find the price of rip off's is a P45.

- IY, Weedon, 26/9/2008 14:56


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10 Pounds? 10 pounds is a rip off. These morons are using health and safety laws, to rip people off. What low life, how very disgusting.

- lolla, uk, 26/9/2008 15:06


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This country stinks and the PC crowd and the government that lets them thrive are to blame.

- Bob Baillie, Southampton, 26/9/2008 15:04


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Whos elfnsafety are they talking about, sounds like the elfnsafety of their profits rather than of the car drivers themselves.
That 23would account for the sudden change in policy, they saw how many tenners, sorry, Parents, turned up to deliver the campers and saw a whole row of pound signs before them and decided to hell with helping the scouts lets have a big whack of money.
Like our MPs they too have a big through for their snouts

- Deerwatcher, Fareham Hants, 26/9/2008 15:09


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Since when is parking a car a health and safety issue? Charging a tenner to park a car is just greedy - they're not in London!

- Risa Walker, Harlow, Essex, 26/9/2008 15:22


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Ten pound health and safety charge?

Please excuse me while I laugh myself into a parallel dimension...

- Oliver (ex-pat), Duesseldorf, Germany, 26/9/2008 15:27


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Health and safety ten pounds,wow do not let Gorgon get wind of this new idea.

- Norman Miles, chengdu China, 26/9/2008 15:34


Who's Gorgon? Is he the guardian of Mordor?

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All hail, the god of Elfin Safety.

- Admad, crawley down, west sussex, 26/9/2008 15:34


Richard Littlejohn?

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I see that Sally Williams of Woodlands has learnt a lot from Gordon Brown over this piece of blatant blackmail. Sucker the `people in, and after the event force a charge on them is the normal modus operandi for the likes of Labour, but this one was especially despicable. No wonder parents effectively told Ms Williams where to stick her £10 health and safety charge. How many more times are we to see the lame excuses from the left wing fascists that actually creates the very problem they believe they are preventing. Is there nothing left that these objectionable jobs worth won't stoop to to scam people and at the same time try and justify their pathetic existence ?

- Mike, Alicante, Spain, 26/9/2008 15:54


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Left wing fascists???? This is clearly capitalism at its worst - and the last time I looked the left wing weren't generally regarded as capitalists.
....

- Nigel M, Cully Devon UK, 26/9/2008 16:25


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Mike, Alicante - only an ill-informed ex-pat would respond to this story by trying to score a laughable political point. This has absolutely nothing to do with any government policy. Did the poor scouts have to walk half a mile? Aw - diddums! My heart bleeds.

- Spencer, London, UK, 26/9/2008 17:20


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I like how thers always a (-) before they say health & safety or political correctness as though its some sort of crap punchline. The Mail dosn't just like Jeremy Clarkson, it talks like him to :roll:

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Parents said hundreds of youngsters aged 11-17 were 'milling around' the car park and driveway and described the situation as 'very dangerous'.


Maybe they should look into the health & safety?


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More 'elf and safety hypocrisy from Mail readers:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1083204/Mother-33-killed-kart-smash-son-looks-on.html

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tragic.
but the word "helmet" is the first thing that came to mind...
- Lauren, home, 5/11/2008 11:48


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It seems strange that in health and safety obsessed Britain this could have happened. Was she wearing a helmet? Why didn't the go-cart have a metal frame over the driver. Even in Crete, not exactly known for health and safety, this is what drivers have on our go-cart circuits.
- Brett McBain, Heraklion, Crete, 5/11/2008 10:51


Am loving this contribution though:

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Good lord. Same people who would normally go on and on about stupid elf n' safety restricting your lives are the first ones on here moaning about why there weren't more restrictions. You slovenly, responsibility-averse babies.
- Andrew Pinter, London, 5/11/2008 12:06


The last sentance is a beauty. Thanks Andrew.


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