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 Post subject: Re: NHS bashing
PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 12:23 pm 
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This one could have also gone on the "bloody foreigners" thread...

90% of hospitals fail to check on nurses' English before letting them work on wards

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... glish.html

But thought it's more appropriate on here...especially when you consider the whole article is based on a "study" by "The Patients Association":

http://www.patients-association.com/Def ... x?tabid=78

Looks like "The Patients Association" are increasingly becoming the Taxpayers Alliance of the NHS.

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 Post subject: Re: NHS bashing
PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 3:54 pm 
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Looks like "The Patients Association" are increasingly becoming the Taxpayers Alliance of the NHS.



Not at all like the Taxpayers Alliance they at least say they're bank rolled by self serving pharmaceutical companies, insurance companies and private medical providers. Oh I see what you mean.........

On a personal note I have been in and out of hospital following an accident for the last 4 months, can safely say that I have had no problem understanding a single NHS employee and received excellent treatment and care.

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 Post subject: Re: NHS bashing
PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 4:19 pm 
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Northerly Swell wrote:
On a personal note I have been in and out of hospital following an accident for the last 4 months, can safely say that I have had no problem understanding a single NHS employee and received excellent treatment and care.

Ah but that's because they've installed one of those lefty babel fish in you.
I too have had recent experience of the NHS and can't fault them except that their caution and care makes progress slower than I would like. Conversely, I wouldn't want to be treated by anyone as reckless and impatient as me.

Hope you make a speedy recovery Northerly.

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 Post subject: Re: NHS bashing
PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 10:35 am 
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The Mail seems to be warming up for a fresh round of NHS bashing.

As a GP, I'm disgusted my greedy colleagues are threatening to strike

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/artic ... z1jzOslKcn

I don't suppose the author is the same Dr Martin Scurr who founded the Portobello Clinic, "a private medical practice, in Notting Hill". Something tells me he's unlikely to be an unbiased witness.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 1:20 pm 
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Four patients die thirsty or starving EVERY DAY on our hospital wards show damning new statistics

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... stics.html

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 Post subject: Re: NHS bashing
PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 9:41 pm 
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Only this month David Cameron was forced to order nurses to carry out hourly spot checks of patients just to see whether they need help eating, drinking or going to the toilet.


He's fucking ordered us has he? Its a stupid idea which won't work and will end up with more paperwork. The trusts already doing this have found that one out. But then, this is t be expected what with nurses doctors and midwives all telling the govt that the health and social care bill should be scrapped. Theyre not going to pick on doctors because the BMA would tear the mail a new one and they pass the people like us test.


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 Post subject: Re: NHS bashing
PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 12:21 pm 
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Nurses didn't give a damn. But I wasn't going to let my gran die
Doctors told Hazel they could do nothing for her grandmother. But, as her shocking yet inspiring diary reveals, she nursed her back to health with love, tenacity... and a few dollops of custard

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/artic ... z1kYv3tbeL
This was nearly a year ago. Read through to the end and it seems the family didn't complain to the hospital at the time.

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 Post subject: Re: NHS bashing
PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 3:10 pm 
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From the beginning of that article:
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I’ve rung my husband Andrew and he says I can stay as long as I like.

If I'd been called to hospital because a close relative was dying, I wouldn't feel the need to ask my husband's permission to stay.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 3:13 pm 
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Also another case of one personal incident which is used to discredit an entire arguement or institution. For example...

"The NHS is great."
"Well you say that, but there was this woman in the Mail..."

See also the drugs story yesterday.

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 Post subject: Re: NHS bashing
PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 11:55 am 
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£4,000 for slipping on a potato and £2,500 for walking into a door... how NHS staff cash in on accidents at work

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/artic ... z1oErOtGOO
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Matthew Elliott, of the TaxPayers’ Alliance, said: ‘This is an incredible amount of money for the NHS to be losing to compensation claims, and means less cash is available for frontline care

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 Post subject: Re: NHS bashing
PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 12:05 pm 
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I take it this is the sensible comment there:
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I know I will get red arrowed BUT the threat of potential claims goes some way to ensure that employers are mindful of the duty of care they owe their employees. If you are quite happy to slip or trip on items in your place of employment and perhaps suffer a serious back injury without claiming compensation, that is your choice. The law is however there to protect you and despite the unarguable fact that there are some very suspect claims made, it is a good thing it is.

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 Post subject: Re: NHS bashing
PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 12:34 pm 
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I remember "£X,000 for slipping on a grape" being presented as a 'ludicrous' compensation amount in the mail before. As well as a techer getting a lot of money for being "hit with a ruler" by an unruly pupil. I know with the teacher one, it was an attack that included the teacher being hit repeatedly by a violent pupil with a metre long steel ruler. Not exactly a 'flick' with a 30cm shatterproof... That was just part of a more serious assault, by a pupil that the school had already been warned about, that left the teacher permanently disabled and unable to work due to (if I remember correctly) nerve/back damage.

But all they say is "teacher slapped with a ruler gets £150k". Same with the grape and potato stories. £4k for slipping on an innocuous food item sounds like a lot. But if he/she fell, shattered a wrist and was unable to work for 6 months, and suffered chronic pain for the rest of his/her life, then £4k isn't really that much. As for £10k for a cut finger.....just how much finger was left?! I doubt that's a small cut, to get £10k.

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 Post subject: Re: NHS bashing
PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 12:40 pm 
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That's what I'm thinking. We're just being told half of the story here.

I don't doubt there are a few people who have exploited it (the same with any system) but it's very easy to skew the figures to make it look bad.

And, of course, how many incidents go unreported? How many of those mentioned had been reported and not acted upon?

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 Post subject: Re: NHS bashing
PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 12:44 pm 
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Althea wrote:
That's what I'm thinking. We're just being told half of the story here.

I don't doubt there are a few people who have exploited it (the same with any system) but it's very easy to skew the figures to make it look bad.

And, of course, how many incidents go unreported? How many of those mentioned had been reported and not acted upon?

It could also be that the figures include costs for lawyers, probably not, but it could be. So a year of wrangling over a fairly minor issue ends up being expensive because the losing party has to pay the costs of the other side.

The NHS is not awash with money right now, no-one will be paying out anything that they don;t have to. So to suggest that these are a problem because the staff are NHS staff is naughty.

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 Post subject: Re: NHS bashing
PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 12:58 pm 
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In other words: DM publishes half-baked story in order to make the NHS look bad.

In other news: Bear found defecating in the woods.

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