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 Post subject: Wales Bashing
PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 2:41 pm 
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Well, there's a thread for Scotland, so...

As your starter for ten, how about this thoughtful and restrained article http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/books/a ... Welsh.html ?

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 Post subject: Re: Wales Bashing
PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 2:52 pm 
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:D

I find that article quite insulting....And I'm not even Welsh


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 Post subject: Re: Wales Bashing
PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 3:00 pm 
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Mind you, some of the Welsh commenters don't do themselves any favours, do they?
It's not often you see such language one-upmanship these days! To a non-speaker the foreign borrowings (I'm thinking Clwb Rygbi here) are just as amusing as Le Weekend or faire le pipi. Harmless fun. Not to this one:

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Just remember the English are the foreigners here not the other way around. The 'moribund monkey' welsh language was here well before you prostituted yourself to any foreign tongue and came out with that bastardized drivel.


Right. Way to hold a discussion, innit? Know what I mean?

In the modern world all languages connect and bleed into each other, just as they did when we spoke Latin or Middle English. It's only a problem when people make it into one (yes, I'm looking at you, Belgium) and instead of helping people to make their way in a foreign-language environment, make it difficult as possible (Belgium again).


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 Post subject: Re: Wales Bashing
PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 3:20 pm 
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http://blogbanw.blogspot.com/2011/08/da ... venom.html


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 Post subject: Re: Wales Bashing
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Good blog. Though I have some reservations about the Welsh Language Society, and they are precisely the same ones as I have about the Acadamie Française and the bores who tell me that it isn't the Union Jack it's the Union Flag...


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 Post subject: Re: Wales Bashing
PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 3:44 pm 
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mattomac wrote:
:D

I find that article quite insulting....And I'm not even Welsh


Roger Lewis can look forward to having his Lavabread with helpings of extra spit (if he's lucky it'll be spit).


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 Post subject: Re: Wales Bashing
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It isn't just insulting, it's downright racist. I actually agree that if it was written about any other nationality it would be howled down.


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 Post subject: Re: Wales Bashing
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Yes, but very well written and with some very original thought provoking imagery.

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 Post subject: Re: Wales Bashing
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Malcolm Armsteen wrote:
It isn't just insulting, it's downright racist. I actually agree that if it was written about any other nationality it would be howled down.


But the writer's Welsh, so they'll get away with it. Just like they do when they get some coconut to write about how all black men are lazy and obsessed with sex.


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A horrid article and I agree that's is it's racist althouhg I will put my hand and admit to making anti-welsh jokes in the past

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 Post subject: Re: Wales Bashing
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Just saw this today. Jesus, it starts off bad and gets worse. I'd rather be Welsh and hapus than a bitter, bigoted little shit of any nationality, thanks.

And we do have some modern words for modern things. Sort of. Like awyren (aeroplane) or cyfrifiadur (computer) - although technically that means something that counts/adds, and plenty of people say 'computer' instead. But we also drop in Welsh words when speaking English and there are some words for which there is no direct translation into English. Happily, 'Uncle Tom' isn't one of those.


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 Post subject: Re: Wales Bashing
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The Welsh must have something for Student Representation and Campaigns Co-ordinator....Well something is on my business cards


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 Post subject: Re: Wales Bashing
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Jonathan Edwards MP has taken the matter up in Parliament.

Dodgy translation by Google:

http://translate.google.com/translate?j ... th-gymraeg


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 Post subject: Re: Wales Bashing
PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 11:22 am 
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Fflaps wrote:
And we do have some modern words for modern things. Sort of. Like awyren (aeroplane) or cyfrifiadur (computer) - although technically that means something that counts/adds, and plenty of people say 'computer' instead. But we also drop in Welsh words when speaking English and there are some words for which there is no direct translation into English. Happily, 'Uncle Tom' isn't one of those.


I find the idea that Welsh has to invent or borrow words for new things while English has some kind of latent store of words for things not yet invented to be completely baffling.

I get the mental image of Dr Samuel Johnson compiling his first dictionary and wondering if he should include 'television' since no-one will know what one is yet.


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Fflaps wrote:
And we do have some modern words for modern things. Sort of. Like awyren (aeroplane) or cyfrifiadur (computer) - although technically that means something that counts/adds, and plenty of people say 'computer' instead. But we also drop in Welsh words when speaking English and there are some words for which there is no direct translation into English. Happily, 'Uncle Tom' isn't one of those.


I find the idea that Welsh has to invent or borrow words for new things while English has some kind of latent store of words for things not yet invented to be completely baffling.

I get the mental image of Dr Samuel Johnson compiling his first dictionary and wondering if he should include 'television' since no-one will know what one is yet.


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