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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs Benefits
PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 3:46 pm 
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Ahh, young padawan, you have much to learn. NEVER take a ShiteRag story at face value.

Firstly they play the "soldier" angle - but read into in and you find he was a TA. Now there's nothing wrong with being a TA but some explanation of what he actually did would be of help. So "quit the Forces" is complete bollocks without that explanation - what, he gave up popping into the barracks every other weekend and his two weeks a year adventure holiday?

Secondly he's got a school-age child and a pregnant girlfriend that resided at the same address. In no way whatsoever would they have been forced into homelessness by any authority for the reasons stated.

I could go on but the gist of it is that the whole thing is a load of crap and he's run to the press to try and garner some sympathy for something he's done that we are not being told about.

Here endeth the lesson.

I wasn't taking it at face value, just trying to work out what was going on.

It said he was two months behind on rent, so I'd say ~£1k out of pocket at a guess - but I can't imagine the bailiffs would be round that quickly. Sounds like he had money problems as it was, he - deliberately or otherwise - ended up on benefits he shouldn't have had which were then withdrawn.

Hmm... Yeah, still not sure.

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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs Benefits
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I'm pretty sure if you work under 16 hours in temporary work your claim continues. You still have to make the Job Centre aware of this. However, you will naturally lose money off your JSA compared to the wage you earned. Whereas, if it's over 16 hours your claim is closed and when it comes to signing on once again you fill out a Rapid Reclaim form. Either way, no matter the length of temporary work you have to declare it. The gentleman did not and obviously suffered the consequences.

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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs Benefits
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Ah, that's cleared it up. I was aware of the under-16hrs thing (as I've gone through it myself), but it was the rest I wasn't clear on.

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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs Benefits
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So if he's an ex-soldier where are Help for Heroes in all this? Living off their media-plaudits and sipping champagne with the queen, no doubt.

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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs Benefits
PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 9:35 pm 
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Anti-PLU story time again:

Mother pregnant with her TENTH child demands bigger council house on top of her £30,000 a year benefits

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z1ni8Gk91Z

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heres an idea, stop breeding unless you can support your selves and anyone else you bring into the world
- marco, yorkshire, 28/2/2012 18:23

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Poor couple. Tell you what, how about I put in some extra hours at work on top of the 60 I already do, just so I can pay that little bit more into your coffers. And I'll make sure my little one goes without to ensure your growing army of future scroungers can have everything they want. Will that be ok with you...?
- KSB, Canterbury, 28/2/2012 18:57


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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs Benefits
PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 10:31 pm 
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If KSB realy was working 60 hours a week I doubt he/she would have the time to post comments on that article. Or have the time to do much else in fact. Lying twat.

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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs Benefits
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I used to work 70+. It's quite possible.


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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs Benefits
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2107908/Outrage-Royal-Mail-plan-offer-cheaper-stamps-million-claiming-benefits.html

The outrage seems to come from one Tory MP and the Taxpayers Alliance. Apparently the Mail are worried cheap stamps could get into the hands of fraudsters who are falsely claiming incapacity benefit.

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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs Benefits
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satnav wrote:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2107908/Outrage-Royal-Mail-plan-offer-cheaper-stamps-million-claiming-benefits.html

The outrage seems to come from one Tory MP and the Taxpayers Alliance. Apparently the Mail are worried cheap stamps could get into the hands of fraudsters who are falsely claiming incapacity benefit.

Will you excuse me if I don't click on that link? I think I probably know the score and it's late. And they are cunts.

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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs Benefits
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I would avoid it if I was you especially the stupid comments underneath along the lines of 'why do they need stamps when they can't read and write'.

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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs Benefits
PostPosted: Wed Feb 29, 2012 2:37 am 
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Mother pregnant with her TENTH child demands bigger council house on top of her £30,000 a year benefits


One of things that concerns me about these sort of stories is how does the mail get its hands on them and, more importantly, how do they get the family to co-operate?

Either the adults are ignorant as to what actually happens in the mail or, if this is not the case, they are being lied to about the reason given for wanting to report their 'plight'.

What the result of this is, of course, is that they are probably, unwittingly, being publicly displayed as social pariahs so the mail can sell more papers/get more website hits (yeah... nice little earner is the cash from advertisements on popular sites).

It would be interesting to know how the mail approaches these families to do a story and to what extent they make the families aware of the nature of how these stories are to be presented.

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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs Benefits
PostPosted: Wed Feb 29, 2012 9:12 am 
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One of things that concerns me about these sort of stories is how does the mail get its hands on them and, more importantly, how do they get the family to co-operate?

They nicked this one from the local paper. Sadly, people — especially desperate people — are still under the illusion that contacting your local paper is a way to get something done. Mrs/Miss Heaton (the Mail can't decide) probably got fed up living in a damp, unhealthy house and thought she could draw attention to the problem via the media. The local rag then appears to have sold the story to an agency (Cavendish Press, source of the photos), which in turn must have pitched it to the Mail. I see it's been covered by the Sun and the Express, too.

Anecdote time. A friend once shared a flat with a woman who worked as a model. As a corrective to mainstream media coverage of modelling, my friend decided to write a story for the local paper about the reality of the work. I think she was paid about £70. When the story appeared, it had been completely rewritten. One throwaway quote — the model had said something like "One of my colleagues briefly had a stalker, but she called the police and got a restraining order" — resulted in a front-page headline along the lines of "Teen model's stalking terror: why I live in fear". It was accompanied by a near-lifesize picture of the woman (the flatmate, not the one who'd been stalked) nicked from her portfolio. My friend's insights into the industry had been cut completely, and no attempt had been made to contact her or the model. The local paper's version of the story was then sold to an agency and made the national press in Scotland, without my friend being asked, acknowledged or paid. The model received her first creepy correspondence as a result of the story being published.


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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs Benefits
PostPosted: Wed Feb 29, 2012 10:56 am 
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Big Rob wrote:
One of things that concerns me about these sort of stories is how does the mail get its hands on them and, more importantly, how do they get the family to co-operate?

They nicked this one from the local paper. Sadly, people — especially desperate people — are still under the illusion that contacting your local paper is a way to get something done. Mrs/Miss Heaton (the Mail can't decide) probably got fed up living in a damp, unhealthy house and thought she could draw attention to the problem via the media. The local rag then appears to have sold the story to an agency (Cavendish Press, source of the photos), which in turn must have pitched it to the Mail. I see it's been covered by the Sun and the Express, too.

Anecdote time. A friend once shared a flat with a woman who worked as a model. As a corrective to mainstream media coverage of modelling, my friend decided to write a story for the local paper about the reality of the work. I think she was paid about £70. When the story appeared, it had been completely rewritten. One throwaway quote — the model had said something like "One of my colleagues briefly had a stalker, but she called the police and got a restraining order" — resulted in a front-page headline along the lines of "Teen model's stalking terror: why I live in fear". It was accompanied by a near-lifesize picture of the woman (the flatmate, not the one who'd been stalked) nicked from her portfolio. My friend's insights into the industry had been cut completely, and no attempt had been made to contact her or the model. The local paper's version of the story was then sold to an agency and made the national press in Scotland, without my friend being asked, acknowledged or paid. The model received her first creepy correspondence as a result of the story being published.


Anecdote 2. Friends of friends, that's not discretion, I honestly don't know them, run a swinging hotel. They have done fluffy pieces for various magazines like take a break, its free publicity and they write their own copy. Twice now the local rag has lifted the story and printed a BAN THIS SICK FILTH story. it's not just national media that is too lazy to do any work for their stories.

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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs Benefits
PostPosted: Wed Feb 29, 2012 11:07 am 
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Messianic Trees wrote:
Anti-PLU story time again:

Mother pregnant with her TENTH child demands bigger council house on top of her £30,000 a year benefits

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z1ni8Gk91Z

I'm sure you can guess the top-rated comments:
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heres an idea, stop breeding unless you can support your selves and anyone else you bring into the world
- marco, yorkshire, 28/2/2012 18:23

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Poor couple. Tell you what, how about I put in some extra hours at work on top of the 60 I already do, just so I can pay that little bit more into your coffers. And I'll make sure my little one goes without to ensure your growing army of future scroungers can have everything they want. Will that be ok with you...?
- KSB, Canterbury, 28/2/2012 18:57


While I despair at the comments, why *is* this sort of thing acceptable?

We all pay into a collective pot to fund benefit payments for those in need, and that pot is best utilised when people dont take the piss like in this case. Hasnt she heard of the pill?


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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs Benefits
PostPosted: Wed Feb 29, 2012 11:10 am 
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I agree there is no need to have ten children in a modern Western country. It's not like they need spares in case some die, or have to send them all out to work from the age of six.


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