The Mail vs Benefits

storygirl · **Posted:** Fri Mar 02, 2012 2:19 am

Timbo wrote:

storygirl wrote:

I am a full time mum and receiver of carers allowance, therefore do not work, but spend all day watching Jeremy Kyle on my 60 inch plasma screen tv, paid for by you lot of course.

You're welcome. I hope you enjoy your motability Range Rover, too

The council take me where ever I want in a private helicopter, its more important than daily bin collections after all

MacGuffin · **Joined:** Thu Oct 08, 2009 11:07 pm **Posts:** 427

satnav wrote:

More of the Dacre drip effect.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2108928/Meet-middle-class-benefits-cheats.html

If this stupid woman really has got evidence that people are fiddling the system why doesn't she tip off the relevant authorities, surely that would be the Mail thing to do.

Lovely headline on that article: It's not just the chavs that cheat at benefits.

The article concludes that if middle class women are stealing from Boots, then:

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The government should be ashamed that it has allowed such a embittered class to develop.

Bails · **Joined:** Tue Jun 08, 2010 10:16 am **Posts:** 957

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Of course, these are just anecdotes. I have no concrete evidence that there is such a thing as middle-class, or indeed upper-middle-class, benefit fraud on a grand scale. I have no figures, graphs or charts.

Or any for 'working class' benefit fraud :roll:

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z1nxpXlVKy

Bones McCoy · **Joined:** Mon Aug 16, 2010 9:08 am **Posts:** 7344

Bails wrote:

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Of course, these are just anecdotes. I have no concrete evidence that there is such a thing as middle-class, or indeed upper-middle-class, benefit fraud on a grand scale. I have no figures, graphs or charts.

Or any for 'working class' benefit fraud :roll:

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z1nxpXlVKy

Utterly shit article.

Research is a handful of anecdotes overheard at dinner parties, or made up.
Then the tirade about how hard it is being middle class, and how they perhaps expect a little extra.
Then Anthony Worral Thompson is introduced to close the deal by conflating receipt of benefits with criminality.
Otherwise the article is littered with Somalian families and house prices.

I'm surprised that a member of the press needs to look as far as a disgraced Chef to find an example of middle class criminality.

davidjay · **Joined:** Tue Feb 17, 2009 8:24 pm **Posts:** 3843

Yet again, it's borderline acceptable when People Like Us do it.

Bails · **Joined:** Tue Jun 08, 2010 10:16 am **Posts:** 957

davidjay wrote:

Yet again, it's borderline acceptable when People Like Us do it.

When PLU do it it's the fault of the goverment for making us embittered.

When non-PLUs break the law it's 'just mindless criminality'.

Kreuzberger · **Posted:** Sat Mar 03, 2012 11:16 pm

Bails wrote:

davidjay wrote:

Yet again, it's borderline acceptable when People Like Us do it.

When PLU do it it's the fault of the goverment for making us embittered.

When non-PLUs break the law it's 'just mindless criminality'.

When PLUs do it, they're just bending the rules to take out a little of what they have paid in. Just like when they embellish an insurance claim. They are just withdrawing that which they think is rightfully theirs.

This is the take-the-piss dividend to constantly ratting on about "The Taxpayer" and "guess who's paying?". Drip drip tend to back fire, fire.

Messianic Trees · **Joined:** Fri Mar 18, 2011 10:50 pm **Posts:** 2848

Is this Britain's most selfless mother? Julie Jones took in her late best friend's FIVE orphaned children, works 40 hours a week... and has refused benefits

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/artic ... z1o8QlO59b

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She receives child benefit, but nothing else, and works 40 hours a week to make ends meet, with the children going to an after-school club. She says she has been advised to move into a council house and claim benefits, but has refused.

satnav · **Posted:** Mon Mar 05, 2012 12:14 am

Several people in the comments point out that the Mail ran this story a couple of weeks ago.

It is a little bit surprising that the headline goes on about the her not claiming benefits when 95% of the article doesn't even deal with this issue.

Whilst it is good to hear that this woman is getting lots of help from work colleagues and the local community I wonder if all this charitable support would continue if she did give up her job and try and live on benefits? Most communities do tend to rally round in special circumstances like these but this is only because it is a very rare occurrence.

She is clearly happy with where she lives and it is close to her work and the kids school so moving to a council house in another part of town away from her friends and support network would be counter productive.

Whilst the article says she doesn't claim any benefits apart from child benefit it doesn't mention working tax credit may be she gets this credit must doesn't actually regard it as a benefit.

Big Rob · **Posted:** Mon Mar 05, 2012 3:03 am

Interesting post on my facebook wall tonight....

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The problem they discuss of the devaluing of the worker rather than the lessening of work for all people... the reason they can't see the remedy for this is the same reason as the problem itself. They're all trapped in a mindset of thinking that people need to earn things. They're talking about creating abundance and they're in denial about how you handle abundance. Their logic is the equivalent of charging people for breathing air, which is so abundant that people would laugh in your face if you tried to. The point of abundance is you don't, any longer, need to earn your keep, you simply breathe in and out as you want or need to.

Carlos The Badger · **Posted:** Thu Mar 15, 2012 8:18 pm

A third of incapacity benefit claimants are fit for work, Government’s OWN figures show

Mail prints government propaganda as the truth.

Not many comments yet - but a contender for Cunt Of The Day.

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And most of the other 2/3 are working anyway and not admitting it!
- Tynes, Oxford, UK, 15/3/2012 18:24

AOB · **Posted:** Thu Mar 15, 2012 8:31 pm

Unsurprising picture choice for the Mail in an article about incapacity benefits/ESA. In Mailworld, a person has to be wheelchair bound to qualify for such "handouts" surely. And also no surprise that there's no mention of who conducts the assessments or how fit for purpose they are.

cycloon · **Joined:** Sun Jun 10, 2007 4:07 pm **Posts:** 3254

The tone of that middle class thing was the usual: 'it's not uncommon for some middle class people to do some crime here and there!'

Incredible.

I daren't read the comments. I imagine more than a few are sympathetic about the situation, given 'NuLieBore and the LibConCoalitionofEUPenury has brought this country to its knees and everyone is struggling'/

Whereas if it were a 'person of lower stature' than the snide, preening intellectually-bankrupt and conceited moralists of the Mail (which is pretty low), then it's firing squad at dawn.

/hypocrite
/rant

smod · **Posted:** Thu Mar 15, 2012 10:32 pm

Top comments are rather positive and attacking the government.

shyamz · **Posted:** Fri Mar 16, 2012 12:31 am

They're so pissed off that the figure wasn't a lot higher. Not stopping to think where all those extra newly unemployed sick people would be able to find jobs right now, even if they were healthy.

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