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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs Benefits
PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 11:58 pm 
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It's worth remembering that many of the staff at the sharp end suffer almost as much as their clients.


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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs Benefits
PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 6:30 am 
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But where are the Kurt Gerstein figures :?:

And from the trial of Eichmann :arrow:

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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs Benefits
PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 5:03 pm 
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Nearly 1,400 Brits rake in £30,000 a year in housing benefit
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2182477/Nearly-1-400-Brits-rake-30-000-year-housing-benefit.html

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Tory MP for Witham in Essex, Priti Patel, dug up the shocking figures after asking a question in Parliament.

I'm pretty sure that is been known for a while that although amounts claimed are large, the number of people who actually claimed it were extremely small.

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'Taxpayers will be appalled to know cash has been used to pay for housing benefit above and beyond what the average person earns,' Ms Patel told The Sun.

So The Mail is just regurgitating a shorter article in the Sun.

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Housing benefit claimants hit five million in the last year - up from 4.8 million a year earlier.

1,400 out of 5,000,000 - I make that 0.028% of all claimants, yet the Tories bang on about it as if everyone claims it and uses it as a shield against criticism of the other welfare changes.

Here's a link to the question actually asked (nealry a month ago)
http://www.theyworkforyou.com/wrans/?id=2012-07-05a.114669.h&s=speaker%3A24778#g114669.q0
Whilst the number of housing benefit claimants rose over the year, the number claiming the high amounts actually dropped by 700, and this is before the cap is being intro duced.

Another thing that grinds my gears about housing benefit is that nobody asks a landlord to justify the high rents they charge to the taxpayer, EVER.


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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs Benefits
PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2012 3:58 pm 
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2188075/Jobless-mother-seven-insists-family-deserve-1-25MILLION-taxpayer-funded-home-trashed.html#comments

So the home owner was given a big chunk of public money to do up her house so she could rent it out to people who were homeless. She rakes in thousands in housing benefit and then three years later she starts to moan because the house has been knocked around a bit. If she really hasn't been near the house for 3 years then she is nothing more than a slum landlord who got what she deserved.

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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs Benefits
PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2012 12:24 pm 
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2188075/Jobless-mother-seven-insists-family-deserve-1-25MILLION-taxpayer-funded-home-trashed.html#comments

So the home owner was given a big chunk of public money to do up her house so she could rent it out to people who were homeless. She rakes in thousands in housing benefit and then three years later she starts to moan because the house has been knocked around a bit. If she really hasn't been near the house for 3 years then she is nothing more than a slum landlord who got what she deserved.


£1.25m for that? I know London house prices are daft, but really? Also, cramming eight people into a three-bed house doesn't exactly sound like living the life of Riley to me.

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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs Benefits
PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 9:59 am 
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Someone finally caught up with that little 'Arbeit Macht Frei' faux pas, it seems:

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The Daily Mail is practicing its usual "editing by Twitter", it seems. The piece is a month old - originally published on July 13 - but has mysteriously been updated in the last few minutes to remove the offending paragraph.

Hilariously, at least at the time of writing, the piece was so hastily edited that the font size in the new paragraphs is noticeably different from the old.

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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs Benefits
PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 10:03 am 
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That's "Arbeit Macht Frei", Sam.

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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs Benefits
PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 10:16 am 
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*facepalm*

I got up about half an hour ago and I haven't had my caffeine yet. Despite having it in front of me, the spelling must've blurred. I didn't even notice. :oops:

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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs Benefits
PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 12:14 pm 
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Samanfur wrote:
. I didn't even notice. :oops:


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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs Benefits
PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 11:26 am 
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Finally a Mail article that reveals what is actually happening as a result of benefit reforms.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2206976/Paralysed-teenager-life-support-birth-told-attend-interview-prove-t-work-lose-benefits.html

Reading some of the comments though is rather depressing many Mail readers seem to think that episodes like this are a price worth paying if it helps to identify a few fraudsters.

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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs Benefits
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Are we finally winning the battle against benefit cheats? Convictions soar 40% in two years after investigators are given access to Sky TV bills

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z29UYhSYZY

Still plenty of idiotic comments but at least the top rated speak a little more sense than your reactionary reader.

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meanwhile, back in the real world, Starbucks pay £8m tax on £3billion sales. There's your enemy

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still a drop in the ocean compared with what the banks stole look at the liebor fixing that goes into the hundred of billions , you see how hard the elite investigate when its their own

- the truth, wrexham, 16/10/2012 17:41 676

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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs Benefits
PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 7:06 am 
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So from that we can assume that the government believes that if you are on any kind of benefits you shouldn't be able to afford digital television? They really will be seeking out people's plasmas next.

And 8 million tax paid by Starbucks? I thought I'd seen a headline in the newspaper racks in W.H Smiths today that said they had in fact paid nothing since 2009. Not that 8 million is much of an improvement if that's true but still.

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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs Benefits
PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 7:11 am 
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That may backfire (the digital TV one). As detailed in Mark Thomas's Peoples Manifesto book, you're basically telling people how to spend their dole money. And if the Sun get wind of it, they'll have to run a counter-campaign for everyone's right to sit on their arse and watch Sky Sports.

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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs Benefits
PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 8:21 am 
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So from that we can assume that the government believes that if you are on any kind of benefits you shouldn't be able to afford digital television? They really will be seeking out people's plasmas next.


All television is digital now (my region was the last to change on 26th September). Digital costs no more than analogue, i.e. the licence.
So the answer to your question is no.

The reason they are accessing Sky bills is to see who is spending lots of money on satellite and cable channels.

Nothing at all to do with digital, let alone plasma TVs.

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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs Benefits
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The reason they are accessing Sky bills is to see who is spending lots of money on satellite and cable channels.

Not exactly. That isn't fraud. What they are looking for is men paying for Sky packages when only a woman claiming to be a single mother is officially living at that address.

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