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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs Children
PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2012 11:35 am 
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Is YOUR child sending sex texts at school?
It’s terrifyingly common

Common as in 'frequent'. Definitely not common as in 'what the proles do' — as we're reminded many times in the article:

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It also shows how even children from the most middle-class and respectable families can find themselves sucked in to a disturbing sexual landscape…
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…it could so easily be your teenage daughter sending them — or your son doing the asking.
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Studies have also found youngsters from privileged backgrounds are just as at risk as those from deprived homes.

Indeed, Sophie comes from a good family. Her mother Sarah, 38, is a privately educated teaching assistant.

Two typical Mail traits in this story (which has already appeared in the red-tops). Firstly, it focuses exclusively on the girls. Inevitably it paints them as the hapless victims of randy opportunistic schoolboys, although Sophie doesn't seem that contrite about sexting photos of herself. Secondly, it lays all the blame on technology and the precocity of young people, rather than challenging any of the ideologies underpinning the problem, such as slut-shaming or tolerance of (and reward for) sexual harassment among boys.


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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs Children
PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2012 1:01 pm 
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ezinra wrote:
Is YOUR child sending sex texts at school?
It’s terrifyingly common

Common as in 'frequent'. Definitely not common as in 'what the proles do' — as we're reminded many times in the article:

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It also shows how even children from the most middle-class and respectable families can find themselves sucked in to a disturbing sexual landscape…
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…it could so easily be your teenage daughter sending them — or your son doing the asking.
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Studies have also found youngsters from privileged backgrounds are just as at risk as those from deprived homes.

Indeed, Sophie comes from a good family. Her mother Sarah, 38, is a privately educated teaching assistant.

Two typical Mail traits in this story (which has already appeared in the red-tops). Firstly, it focuses exclusively on the girls. Inevitably it paints them as the hapless victims of randy opportunistic schoolboys, although Sophie doesn't seem that contrite about sexting photos of herself. Secondly, it lays all the blame on technology and the precocity of young people, rather than challenging any of the ideologies underpinning the problem, such as slut-shaming or tolerance of (and reward for) sexual harassment among boys.

Up to a point I agree with this comment
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Her behaviour was just the modern equivalent of the old 'round the back of the bike shed'. There's always been girls willing to do sleazy things so they'll be popular with the boys, she's just another one. She could have said NO, but she didn't.
- Iseult, Cambridge, 19/7/2012 11:13

The technology is simply allowing a new way to do something very old. When I was a kid there were girls who could be bribed into giving a flash (I don't know of cases of being bullied into it, but I expect that happened too), there were no cameras to hand so that's where it ended. We who weren't present heard the stories, and the denials, and were never really sure if it happened or not. The difference now is that a record is kept and the evidence gets passed around.

It wasn't just girls either. I remember my cousin trying to persuade me to show her my cock, I think I was about 12 so she would have been 10. I didn't, I was too shy and too worried that she might tell the grown-ups, plus she had no bargaining chip. If it happened today and I'd gone for it, no doubt photos would have been taken and would have eventually found their way on to the net and, in the eyes of the law, both of us would be guilty of making and distributing child pornography. :shock:

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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs Children
PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2012 1:29 pm 
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I'll add two words to the comment so that I can agree with it too:

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Her behaviour was just the modern equivalent of the old 'round the back of the bike shed'. There's always been girls willing to do sleazy things so they'll be popular with the boys, she's just another one. She could have said NO, but she didn't want to.
- Iseult, Cambridge, 19/7/2012 11:13

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It wasn't just girls either. I remember my cousin trying to persuade me to show her my cock, I think I was about 12 so she would have been 10.

Exactly. But in the Mail's timewarp, teenage boys who want to see a girl's boobs are sex predators, just as 13-year-old girls are desireless shrinking violets.

There are lessons in Sophie's story for adolescents in terms of how they use technology and how they express their sexuality. The Mail's solution is simply to deprive them of both.


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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs Children
PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2012 1:47 pm 
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ezinra wrote:
I'll add two words to the comment so that I can agree with it too:

Well I can play that game too:

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Her behaviour was just the modern equivalent of the old 'round the back of the bike shed'. There's always been kids willing to do sleazy things so they'll be popular, she's just another one. She could have said NO, but she didn't want to.
- Iseult, Cambridge, 19/7/2012 11:13

As I said my cousin had no bargaining chip, at 10 her body would have offered no quid pro quo, but if she'd been a bit older, offered money or something else I wanted, I might well have been persuaded.
In a sense we are all prostitutes and we can all be bought if the price is right.

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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs Children
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'budding chest'.

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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs Children
PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2012 6:23 pm 
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ezinra wrote:
Is YOUR child sending sex texts at school?
It’s terrifyingly common

Common as in 'frequent'. Definitely not common as in 'what the proles do' — as we're reminded many times in the article:

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It also shows how even children from the most middle-class and respectable families can find themselves sucked in to a disturbing sexual landscape…
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…it could so easily be your teenage daughter sending them — or your son doing the asking.
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Studies have also found youngsters from privileged backgrounds are just as at risk as those from deprived homes.

Indeed, Sophie comes from a good family. Her mother Sarah, 38, is a privately educated teaching assistant.

Two typical Mail traits in this story (which has already appeared in the red-tops). Firstly, it focuses exclusively on the girls. Inevitably it paints them as the hapless victims of randy opportunistic schoolboys, although Sophie doesn't seem that contrite about sexting photos of herself. Secondly, it lays all the blame on technology and the precocity of young people, rather than challenging any of the ideologies underpinning the problem, such as slut-shaming or tolerance of (and reward for) sexual harassment among boys.


Another outraged parent taking a personal story regarding her children to a national newspaper without considering what impact it might have on the child's life in or indeed out of school.

In effect, she has just informed every young boy at her daughter's school (and their friends) that her daughter is happy to send semi-naked photos of herself to boys (and as was pointed out by the girl when asked, she doesn't seem all that bothered or traumatised by it).

Well done mum, and good luck kid - your life is about to become very tough indeed.

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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs Children
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Britain's naughtiest child: Little Logan expelled from infant school for stealing, vandalism and kicking teacher in the face - at the age of FIVE

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I'll just cut and paste this from shyamz's comment above:

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Another outraged parent taking a personal story regarding her children to a national newspaper without considering what impact it might have on the child's life in or indeed out of school.

Surprise! The top-rated comments are all like this:

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I blame the parents, they should instill discipline, manners and respect. They have failed on all counts.

- THE VOICE OF REASON, NEWCASTLE, 20/12/2012 13:01 Rating 2861


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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs Children
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On the plus side, his hairstyle is pretty cool.

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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs Children
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For a paper that has warned us repeatedly that once something is on the internet that there's a decent chance of it staying on there forever, they don't seem to have realised they are exposing children to pressures from other students, prospective academic institutions and employers.


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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs Children
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For a paper that has warned us repeatedly that once something is on the internet that there's a decent chance of it staying on there forever, they don't seem to have realised they are exposing children to pressures from other students, prospective academic institutions and employers.


They're not CLU, so it's fine.


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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs Children
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The 'sick-lit' books aimed at children: It's a disturbing phenomenon. Tales of teenage cancer, self-harm and suicide...

The jist of the article: teenagers are reading about real life events. They should be reading about Winnie the Pooh, Narnia and the adventures of Ratty and Toad. :roll:


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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs Children
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Of course, if the DM can get these teenagers to read their paper, they need not read about real life events ever again.


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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs Children
PostPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 5:43 pm 
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I don't see how these books can be any worse than the Mail itself:
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As plots go, it's mawkish at best, exploitative at worst.
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The blurbs for 'teen sick-lit' - as it's become known - trip over themselves to promise their books will drive readers 'to tears' or leave them 'devastated'.
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When the book [The Lovely Bones] became popular among young teens, publishers set about commissioning a raft of morbid novels, which all too often inadvertently glamorise shocking life-and-death issues.

'When you write for children, you have a moral and social responsibility,' says Amanda. 'I think there is a cavalier attitude towards this in the publishing industry, especially as children as young as 11 are likely to be reading these books.

'They are aimed at young teens at the time when they are most likely to go through self-harm or experience suicidal thoughts.'
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Julie Elman, of the University of Missouri, who has studied teen sick-lit, is worried the genre encourages young girls to believe that the most important thing to worry about when facing serious illness is whether boys still fancy them.
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'Let's hope publishers do have young people's interests at heart - and they are not selling books by sensationalising children's suffering.'

Because the Mail never writes about cancer; never judges girls on their appearance; can only be read by those with a very high reading age and is therefore unlikely to be read by kids; is not known for its sensationalism; and never, EVER promises its readers "heartbreaking," "shocking," "chilling" or "disturbing" human interest stories that will "move them to tears."

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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs Children
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Is the Mail gearing up for demanding a book classification board?

It wouldn't surprise me, they seem intent on getting everything else censored or classified, except, of course, newspapers.

I assume they won't want Romeo and Juliet taught in schools any longer.


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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs Children
PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 5:06 pm 
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I don't see how these books can be any worse than the Mail itself:
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As plots go, it's mawkish at best, exploitative at worst.
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The blurbs for 'teen sick-lit' - as it's become known - trip over themselves to promise their books will drive readers 'to tears' or leave them 'devastated'.
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When the book [The Lovely Bones] became popular among young teens, publishers set about commissioning a raft of morbid novels, which all too often inadvertently glamorise shocking life-and-death issues.

'When you write for children, you have a moral and social responsibility,' says Amanda. 'I think there is a cavalier attitude towards this in the publishing industry, especially as children as young as 11 are likely to be reading these books.

'They are aimed at young teens at the time when they are most likely to go through self-harm or experience suicidal thoughts.'
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Julie Elman, of the University of Missouri, who has studied teen sick-lit, is worried the genre encourages young girls to believe that the most important thing to worry about when facing serious illness is whether boys still fancy them.
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'Let's hope publishers do have young people's interests at heart - and they are not selling books by sensationalising children's suffering.'

Because the Mail never writes about cancer; never judges girls on their appearance; can only be read by those with a very high reading age and is therefore unlikely to be read by kids; is not known for its sensationalism; and never, EVER promises its readers "heartbreaking," "shocking," "chilling" or "disturbing" human interest stories that will "move them to tears."


Interesting that the only example they can give is The Lovely Bones, a book that -to be fair to the author- was never intentionally aimed at a teen audience.
I read that book, just as the fuss surrounding it was reaching a peak. I cannot remember seeing reviews or articles anywhere saying that it was appealing to a particularly young audience, in fact if younger people did read it I'd say it would have had more to do with the subsequent film adaption of the book. It's a very odd choice to back their claims up with, as opposed to let's say, Malory Blackman's Naughts and Crosses series, a series aimed specifically at a teen audience and which covers such topics as racism, interracial love and murder. Or what about the Twilight novels, much more publicly derided for their poor standard of writing and portrail of a weak two dimensional female lead who represents acceptance of stalking and obsessive behavior in exchange for love. Well I suppose Twilight is too popular for them to attack, so they won't take it on.

I read loads of Judy Blume books as a kid, and if there was indeed any fuss surrounding their content I was too young at the time to know about it, yet I bet there was. I read Forever when I was nine (way below the target age for Blume's book), but it didn't make me want to go out and have sex with anyone. If it did, then every kid who ever read it since its first publication in 1975 would have been at it, they weren't.

As for blurbs claiming to promise tears and trauma for the readers, well only a fool would believe that. Those are just words carefully chosen by the publisher to grab the attention of their target audience, no different to the descriptions chosen for the back covers of misery memoirs designed to appeal to their parents. I sincerely doubt that most of the teens reading those books really expect those claims to be true, but even if they do get moved to tears occasionally when reading a book, what's so bad about that? They are far more likely to carry on reading as adults if they believe that there are books out there that can move you and transport you to another place than if they read nothing but Enid Blyton.

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