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 Post subject: The Mail vs New logos
PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 12:52 pm 
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I think I'm spending to much time on a piece of cheap filler material, but bear with me here. This is something of an ongoing topic that appears in The Mail every now and then. Any company which changes its logo is always "mocked", "ridiculed" or similar - I don't think I've ever seen a positive story about a re-branding. I suppose it's the core Mail value that change = bad.

You can guarantee that in the comments (and often in the article itself) that there will be the hypothetical question about why they should waste all that money on a new logo when they could have just spent it on ____ instead.

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Why they have to do a multi million pound make over dumbfounds me when most companies are struggling to keep afloat this is not needed and shareholders should be furious
- Eye in the sky , northampton, United Kingdom, 15/1/2013 11:00

Maybe it's reading into it too much, but I think that thought process reveals a deeper malaise in the mind of the paper and its readership. A complete lack of understanding that sometimes you have to invest in something in order to reap a greater reward further down the line.

Of course it's also a chance for the section of their know-it-all readers who own a copy of Photoshop Elements to blart on about how they shouldn't have wasted £xxxx on employing expensive design agencies as they would have done it for a tenth of the price.

Today they're attacking ITV's recent re-branding:

ITV logo hits rock bottom: Channel subject of ridicule after new motif is unveiled

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I think it's quite a nice new look myself. It's more fresh and modern looking than the old design but not so dramatic that it's going to hugely offend anyone from the wide demographic they have to cater for. The Mail hasn't gone to any trouble to consult any design or marketing experts, the entire article is based on a handful of Twitter comments countered by a press release from ITV.

A lot seems seem to be being made of the claim that it looks like an arse. I suppose it does a bit if you cover 3/4 of it with your hand and have a juvenile mind.

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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs New logos
PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 12:54 pm 
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It's the Mail. Change is always a Bad Thing.


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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs New logos
PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 2:20 pm 
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It's a rehash of a story back in November 2012.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... s-W-V.html


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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs New logos
PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 2:21 pm 
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doesn't the DM own shares in ITV?


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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs New logos
PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 2:28 pm 
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Parent company owns approx 20% of ITN if memory serves me.


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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs New logos
PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 3:35 pm 
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sporran wrote:
Maybe it's reading into it too much, but I think that thought process reveals a deeper malaise in the mind of the paper and its readership. A complete lack of understanding that sometimes you have to invest in something in order to reap a greater reward further down the line.

Of course it's also a chance for the section of their know-it-all readers who own a copy of Photoshop Elements to blart on about how they shouldn't have wasted £xxxx on employing expensive design agencies as they would have done it for a tenth of the price.

Today they're attacking ITV's recent re-branding:

ITV logo hits rock bottom: Channel subject of ridicule after new motif is unveiled

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I think it's quite a nice new look myself. It's more fresh and modern looking than the old design but not so dramatic that it's going to hugely offend anyone from the wide demographic they have to cater for. The Mail hasn't gone to any trouble to consult any design or marketing experts, the entire article is based on a handful of Twitter comments countered by a press release from ITV.

Marketing is one of those professions that people don't allow their ignorance of the subject to inhibit them from voicing an opinion, usually the subtext is 'I don't understand it - therefore I don't like it'.

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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs New logos
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And of course there's the, 'Anybody could have come up with that idea, my kid could have done better'.

I have had to deal with clients who decided to have a logo competition and invite entries from local schoolchildren/general public and from that experience I know that the statement is definitely not true.


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Friend of mine said that the worst thing about the spread of information tech was that he would produce a design for a company logo, and when the company needed a top up of headed paper or business cards they would do it themselves, using his design, but changed slightly to make it utterly shitty and useless. Often adding clip art...

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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs New logos
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Daley Mayle wrote:
And of course there's the, 'Anybody could have come up with that idea, my kid could have done better'.

I have had to deal with clients who decided to have a logo competition and invite entries from local schoolchildren/general public and from that experience I know that the statement is definitely not true.

Definitely.... the epitome of that was the fuss over the London 2012 logo, with people submitting their staid, generic efforts where they'd "done better in 5 minutes" to BBC News and Mail Online.

I wasn't a massive fan of that logo itself when I saw it, but the overall branding that went with it looked fantastic during the games.

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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs New logos
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It grew on me.

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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs New logos
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Daley Mayle wrote:
And of course there's the, 'Anybody could have come up with that idea, my kid could have done better'.


I think it was Douglas Adams that came up with the best riposte to that: "But they didn't".


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Daley Mayle wrote:
And of course there's the, 'Anybody could have come up with that idea, my kid could have done better'.


I think it was Douglas Adams that came up with the best riposte to that: "But they didn't".


According to my fine art mistress, that was Picasso.

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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs New logos
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sporran wrote:
Daley Mayle wrote:
And of course there's the, 'Anybody could have come up with that idea, my kid could have done better'.

I have had to deal with clients who decided to have a logo competition and invite entries from local schoolchildren/general public and from that experience I know that the statement is definitely not true.

Definitely.... the epitome of that was the fuss over the London 2012 logo, with people submitting their staid, generic efforts where they'd "done better in 5 minutes" to BBC News and Mail Online.

I wasn't a massive fan of that logo itself when I saw it, but the overall branding that went with it looked fantastic during the games.


It did and will always look like Bart Simpson being sucked off by Lisa.


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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs New logos
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The one-eyed phallic shaped mascots seemed to have been quietly moved back into the shadows during the games.

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Can anyone remember their names? No googling, you will only be cheating yourselves.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 1:17 pm 
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Think they were about when the torch was going around...


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