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PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 11:08 am 
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Woah... Whilst you may have a point with your second bit (but surely, by the same logic, people are less likely to drive carefully in and around cars with air bags, which I can't really see happening) I completely fail to see how cracking your head on the pavement after falling off the bike is just as dangerous as landing with a helmet.


The risk compensation factor is well established. Studies have shown given compulsory seatbelts, ABS systems and airbags, drivers will drive more dangerously because they feel safer. As for your second point, read the disclaimer on the box. Helmets are not designed for collisions at greater than walking pace.

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I know someone who was on a cycling trip somewhere exotic (I lose track of where) who had a bad fall at speed and landed on her head. Since then she's had all kinds of brain problems. I believe she's mostly recovered now (as much as you can do from a bad head injury), but the doctors were in no doubt that had she not been wearing a helmet then she'd have died.


I commuted a twenty mile round trip in central London for ten years by bike. I had numerous scrapes and an average of one serious 'off' a year. Not once did I hit my head. Anecdotal evidence. Not useful at all. Population level studies, however, show no benefit.

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I remember a demonstration of the effectiveness of bicycle helmets which said that, when cycling at speed, the skull is like a bowl and the brain is like porridge. When dropped directly onto tarmac clearly the bowl breaks and the porridge goes everywhere, but when the bowl is put inside a cycling helmet then the helmet absorbs all the shock.


It's not big or strong enough to absorb anything more than a tiny fraction of the shock. I have seen a demonstration that shows that the increased effective diameter of the head due to helmet wearing can cause increased rotational forces inside the brain during an accident, increasing the chances of the brain turning into soup, albeit only fractionally.

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If there were no benefits to wearing helmets, why is it compulsory (although, shamefully in my opinion, only in recent years) to wear them in the Tour de France?


Lewis Hamilton has to wear a helmet and a full asbestos body suit when he drives competitively. That doesn't mean I need to wear one when I drive down to Cardiff on the A470, does it?


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Helmets offer zero protection and may even create problems by introducing unjustified risk-compensation into the behaviour of both the wearers and other road users.


There was a study concerning this. Apparently the study found that drivers considered helmeted cyclists more able to look after themselves on the road and wouldn't give them as much consideration as cyclists without helmets.

It gets better. The author of the piece got knocked over whilst cycling after writing the report. Guess what he was wearing?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/somerset/5334208.stm


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First conviction from traffic warden 'head-cams' as cyclist threatens to 'behead' NCP car park attendant

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Traffic wardens are the ultimate jobworthies. Down with Big Brother!

- Rb, Aberdeen


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Good, I am glad some obnoxious cyclist has been convicted.

But I wonder how long it will be for some member of the public to claim the cameras are an infringement of their liberty and against their human rights. I bet it won't be long!

- L. G., Newbury


Looks like they can't decide who's worse, evil cyclists or jobsworth traffic wardens. I'd imagine RB is a problem parker...


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Cyclist killed teenage girl on pavement 'after refusing to swerve to avoid her'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... d-her.html

I wonder what the Mail spin willl be on this?

A very sad case but I am sure they will want the death penalty.


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Turns out she was a teenager swigging Stella and out to get some chips. I'm surprised the Mail can feel any sympathy at all.

For the record, as a regular cyclist, my opinion is that any adult caught cycling on the footpath should be made to ride a kids Barbie bike with stabilisers, handlebar streamers and doll's seat on the back for a daily journey on the same footpath for a month afterwards.


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Parents' anguish as killer cyclist walks away with just a fine

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -fine.html

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'He should have got an eight to ten year prison sentence.'




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Parents' anguish as killer cyclist walks away with just a fine

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -fine.html

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'He should have got an eight to ten year prison sentence.'



Mind you, 'just a fine' is par for the course for people who kill with cars, so I don't see why a cyclist should be treated differently.

Eight to ten years seems a bit mental, but then I'd be a bit mental if someone killed a member of my family. That's why judges and not victims' families pass sentence.


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I can't argue with the stance here really. Think the Mail and its readers are entitled to let their blood boil at this one. The guy was riding his bike on the pavement at 23mph, which sounds quite slow in context for a mode of transport but is fairly fast for a bike, and in this case cost a girl her life.

Don't know about 8-10 years, but certainly time behind bars was necessary here. Like Killer Whale said, parents will always angle for the harshest possible sentence in these situations.


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Agreed JSES, if cyclists must ride on the pavement they should keep their speed to a minimum. 23mph is very fast for something the weighs a good 100kg (cyclist and cycle combined)


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What the hell is a cyclist doing riding a bike on a pavement at 23mph? What a stupid thing to do. If I ever take to the pavement- and I rarely do- I do cycle dead slow, about walking pace, and get out of the way of pedestrians, rather than wait for them to move for me.


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For the benefit of anyone who hasn't read the link:

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The maximum sentence the judge could have imposed yesterday was a fine of £2,500.


Find it hard to disagree with the parents that the law should be changed, I don't know about 8-10 years but I'd like to see something more severe than a fine for such high-order cuntishness.


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There are lots of cycle paths here in red ashphalt with the cycle symbol on them every 50 metres or so.

Stupid pedestrians wander along oblivious to their surroundings.

Despite frantic bell ringing they stand there like rabbits in headlights.

The other week some old fart was walking her small dog on a long lead right across the cycle path. I had to pull up really sharp and she bad mouthed me. :shock:

meanwhile

Lorry driver who killed cyclist walks free from court with 'ludicrous' £275 fine

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -fine.html


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We've all got stories like that. As a pedestrian I was once sworn at by a cyclist jumping a red light and having to swerve to avoid riding into me as I crossed the road, green man flashing and all. Apparently those rules only apply to four-wheelers...

Twats are twats no matter how many wheels they've got.


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White 'ghost bikes' pay tribute to dead riders in danger spots across Britain

a worthy cause..but some readers cant be content without having a dig...what abunch of cunts..

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... itain.html

Why not turn the country into one enormous cemetery ? That will really cheer us all up. We are all going to die , why not celebrate life , rather than be morbid .. Should we put up signs to show where people have fallen to their death at the top and bottom of stairs! Much more common than death by cycling. What about falling over in the bath, or putting on clothes, or going to the toilet, flower sales will go through the roof.Even better why not have plaques in hospital wards over the beds showing how many have died from MRSA, with a dirty hand mark on the wall to remind us to wash our hands. As for distracting road users from concentrating on what they should be doing then ghost bikes are a great idea. With ones eyes going to yet another roadside grave festooned with flowers and plastic wrappers( which are very slippery by the way) no doubt the accident rate will go down. Jeez.

- Doug, Hoddesdon, 13/7/2008 10:55

doug probably single and will die alone ,his cat eating his remain s..

Will they put black bikes at the sites where pedestrians are killed by cyclists on the pavements and refusing to act as civilised human beings?

- Sue, Southampton, 13/7/2008 6:52

no they wont love, so get used it it...


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Thanks to cyclists I actually agree with something Peter Hitchens says for once. Bunch of cunts.


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