Mail vs Transgender

cycloon · **Joined:** Sun Jun 10, 2007 4:07 pm **Posts:** 3242

moonshien wrote:

Esqui wrote:

"Let's debunk the myth of a 'sex change'; you can't transplant lactating breasts and gonads"

seems a reasonable point to be fair

In the same way that 'the colour of the fork the man used to eat a steak was silver', when the discussion's actually about vegetarianism.

Lord Brett · **Posted:** Mon Aug 02, 2010 5:58 pm

Happily, the more idiotic comments are being heavily red flagged, such as...

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The police are happy to employ people who turn their sex around, but are not happy to employ ex-offenders who turn their lives around. In the politically correct fantasy world of antidiscrimination legislation some are more equal than others.
- solarsentinel, England, 2/8/2010 9:57

So the transgendered are to be put in the same category as criminals, then?

Just to prove that sensitive reporting is possible on this sort of issue, here is a story I read in this Sunday's Observer: http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/ ... ransgender

The Hate Mail · **Joined:** Fri Jan 30, 2009 8:26 pm **Posts:** 71

The transgender community suffer terrible prejudice.

People seem to think that your gender or sexuality is their business. It say more about them than it does about members of trans community.

AshleeK · **Joined:** Sun Aug 22, 2010 12:56 pm **Posts:** 152

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... l#comments

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Amazing isn't it he has a sex change, moves to Canada and marries a woman as a woman and then separates 4 years later....marriage of convenience? deport it back to Northern Ireland, bad enough we have Africans coming here pleading their lives are in jeopardy for being gay in their own country. Being gay is not grounds for assylum.

- Symon Allen, Amesbury, 22/8/2010 8:09
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Wow, what a stupid comment. For one, she's not claiming asylum. And why moan about Africans? And why refer to her as a he (or 'it)? That really pisses me off - if someone refered to me as an 'it' then I'd probably throw something heavy in their direction.

Malcolm Armsteen · **Posted:** Sun Aug 22, 2010 7:11 pm

What Hate Mail said, +1

Bernadette · **Joined:** Tue Mar 21, 2006 5:36 pm **Posts:** 1089

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1305971/Transsexual-sacked-forced-apologise-colleagues-wearing-dress-work.html

Another story this week by Daily Mail Reporter.

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Hang on a mo......a sex change operation on the NHS......did I not read on this page about a woman who was denied cancer treatment because it was decided it was too expensive.

The whole worlds gone mad.
- Jon, Cleveland, 25/8/2010 12:25

Presumably in Jon's NHS only cancer patients would be treated, everyone else can go whistle?

Adam · **Posted:** Wed Aug 25, 2010 1:37 pm

A transgender friend of mine told me that a sex change operation costs less to perform than a postmortem. Dunno if that's true. She said that from her point of view she'd saved the NHS money as she was in no doubt she'd eventually have ended up suicidal if she hadn't had the treatment.

Alright, she's a bit melodramatic and I know anecdotes don't equal data, but nontheless...

AshleeK · **Joined:** Sun Aug 22, 2010 12:56 pm **Posts:** 152

Bernadette wrote:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1305971/Transsexual-sacked-forced-apologise-colleagues-wearing-dress-work.html

Another story this week by Daily Mail Reporter.

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Hang on a mo......a sex change operation on the NHS......did I not read on this page about a woman who was denied cancer treatment because it was decided it was too expensive.

The whole worlds gone mad.
- Jon, Cleveland, 25/8/2010 12:25

Presumably in Jon's NHS only cancer patients would be treated, everyone else can go whistle?

The comments on that article are just disgusting:

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I felt like becoming a tyranosaurus rex. It's my right and others should not have the right to oppose it. I turned up for work as normal and intended to do my job but some people are just dinosaur-ist. My boss said it was weird and a distraction to others but what does his opinion matter? it's just his company and his money at stake.

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When a mna suddenly turns up for work one day dressed as awoman of course its going to cause trouble! Of course he should get saked.

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What a weird guy.

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Another " I know my rights!!"
What about my rights not to have to 'understand'

That has to be a wind-up. Nobody could/should be that ignorant. I remember reading that article about a trans WPC in Llandudno, and while the article was supposed to encourage the 'PC Gone Mad™' kind of quotes (and there were some), they were on the whole positive. This time there are people saying she was rightfully sacked for being trans. What if someone was sacked for being middle class or Christian? Would it still be OK then? Probably not - there would be 'Outrage!' and usual calls about it being the fault of 'NuLabor'. I don't see why it can be acceptable for discrimination like this to continue in the 21st century, and it makes me so angry that bigots like these think it's OK to act like this.

Abselutely disgusting human beings, the lot of them.

ACG · **Posted:** Wed Aug 25, 2010 2:17 pm

AshleeK wrote:

The comments on that article are just disgusting:

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I felt like becoming a tyranosaurus rex. It's my right and others should not have the right to oppose it. I turned up for work as normal and intended to do my job but some people are just dinosaur-ist. My boss said it was weird and a distraction to others but what does his opinion matter? it's just his company and his money at stake.

disgusting and stupid, they seem to have lifted their opinion straight from a perticually piss poor episode of south park. changing dolphin to dinosaur and distilling it to a paragraph hasn't made it any less bollocks oddly enough.

Fozzy · **Posted:** Wed Aug 25, 2010 2:24 pm

Astonishing number of comments on there from people saying of course she should be sacked for making other people feel uncomfortable.

On that basis the commenters themselves should be sacked from their respective jobs, given that their opinions probably make their colleagues feel extremely uncomfortable.

AshleeK · **Joined:** Sun Aug 22, 2010 12:56 pm **Posts:** 152

ACG wrote:

AshleeK wrote:

The comments on that article are just disgusting:

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I felt like becoming a tyranosaurus rex. It's my right and others should not have the right to oppose it. I turned up for work as normal and intended to do my job but some people are just dinosaur-ist. My boss said it was weird and a distraction to others but what does his opinion matter? it's just his company and his money at stake.

disgusting and stupid, they seem to have lifted their opinion straight from a perticually piss poor episode of south park. changing dolphin to dinosaur and distilling it to a paragraph hasn't made it any less bollocks oddly enough.

I remember that episode. I love the series, and normally they come out with great arguments for and against certain things. Matt Stone and Trey Parker aren't stupid. But both the episodes they've done on transgender issues have shown a surprisingly low level of research on their topic.

Bernadette · **Joined:** Tue Mar 21, 2006 5:36 pm **Posts:** 1089

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If you've got the raw ingredients to have a decent shot at looking like a woman, then good luck to you. If you haven't, as in this case, then you should be honest with yourself and accept that you're always going to look like a bloke in a frock.
- David Bourke, Rochester, Kent., 25/8/2010 13:34

What an arse. Cos it really is just about looking nice in a dress.

The comments have got worse since I last looked. It's flippin' depressing.

deadwood · **Joined:** Tue Apr 20, 2010 6:40 pm **Posts:** 214

transgender people are such a tiny minority, it's so pathetic to take offence at people who really have a tough time with themselves, let alone sneering from bastards.

Ninja Pirate · **Joined:** Wed Aug 25, 2010 6:57 pm **Posts:** 39

Adam wrote:

A transgender friend of mine told me that a sex change operation costs less to perform than a postmortem. Dunno if that's true. She said that from her point of view she'd saved the NHS money as she was in no doubt she'd eventually have ended up suicidal if she hadn't had the treatment.

Alright, she's a bit melodramatic and I know anecdotes don't equal data, but nontheless...

From the limited information I can find, a postmortem is slightly cheaper than male-to-female sex reassignment surgery. I'm trying to dig up decent references with my poor Google-Fu skills. It's not just the cost of the procedure itself, it's also the pathology tests and the equipment, technicians trained to degree level etc. that go with them. Not that it stops some people whining, to them a transsexual person's life is worth nothing anyway. I'm transsexual (female-to-male) and I've even heard this sort of thing from close relatives, it makes me very angry.

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The law says you cannot change your sex. Born a man you die a man.

Please stop referring to this man as a Miss.

Wearing dresses or even having the 'snip' does not change your chromosomes, although the latter will help with a higher voice.

- Toto Kubwa, Cyprus, 25/8/2010 14:05

Wrong! You can apply for a gender recognition certificate after a certain period of time living as the appropriate gender. This lets you change the sex on your birth certificate and you are legally the gender you transitioned to. Bonus points for biology fail, by the way. "The snip" as he so charmingly calls it can't reverse the effect testosterone has on the body during puberty.

ACG · **Posted:** Wed Aug 25, 2010 8:01 pm

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Bonus points for biology fail, by the way. "The snip" as he so charmingly calls it can't reverse the effect testosterone has on the body during puberty.

double biology fail infact, he (and a raft of others) doesn't get cromosomes right either, seeing as men can be xx, women xy, and either xxy.

with this crap and littjohns continued "whats intersex?" faux ignorance, it's just highlighting the black and white worldview so many people have, even though it's one which is completely at odds with reality, this shouty tit is a perfect example:

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6ft 3in transsexual 'forced to apologise to colleagues for wearing dress to work ... and then sacked'

HAVING BEEN BROUGHT UP, WHEN MEN WERE MEN, & WOMEN WERE WOMEN; I GET VERY CONFUSED WITH THESE SORT OF PEOPLE.
NHS OPERATION, NOT GOOD WHEN SERIOUSLY ILL PATIENTS ARE DENIED VITAL TREATMENT, DUE TO LACK OF FINANCIAL FUNDS.

REGARDS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>WASP

- WASP, WALES, 25/8/2010 13:29

there was, of course, no point in the past when "MEN WERE MEN, & WOMEN WERE WOMEN" just a time when people had no chioce but to live (or tragically, not) with bodies they felt wrong in, and where visible differences were either hidden and made shameful, or freakishly displayed.

"the good old days"

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