It is currently Sat May 18, 2013 12:51 pm

All times are UTC [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 99 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 3, 4, 5, 6, 7
Author Message
 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs history
PostPosted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 8:05 pm 
Offline

Joined: Mon Feb 12, 2007 1:41 pm
Posts: 510
Malcolm Armsteen wrote:
But - but - he's an IT MANAGER!
!


I take it that the joke about the missing two letters at the front has been done?


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs history
PostPosted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 9:06 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue May 26, 2009 11:46 pm
Posts: 22855
Location: In la France profonde, without personal transport...
No it hasn't -so you get the kudos.
:D


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs history
PostPosted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 9:20 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Feb 18, 2011 11:00 am
Posts: 6709
Location: Time Vortex
a bit of balance wrote:
bluebellnutter wrote:
a bit of balance wrote:
I blame the crap education they got from left wing crappy teachers.


So how does that work given according to the likes of the Mail ALL teachers are left-wing, and many people can actually spell?

Correct, they are all left wing, and crappy.

Image

_________________
Sick Left-wing Zealot.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs history
PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 12:20 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu May 12, 2011 5:43 pm
Posts: 3855
Location: Chuffing Barsetshire
The MoS doing Gove's work:

The black Florence Nightingale and the making of a PC myth: One historian explains how Mary Seacole's story never stood up

The historian, Lynn Macdonald, is a defender of Nightingale. She has already published these same anti-Seacole opinions in the Guardian and History Today. Her argument is rebutted here:

Quote:
This it is not a competition, the two women’s accomplishments are very different much due to their race and social positioning, as a middle class white woman Nightingale had to overcome the social stigma of ‘a woman’s place is in the home’ where as Seacole despite hash racial inequality and set backs still managed to persuaded her ambition of helping people. Both women have contributed to British history making Seacole just as deserving of recognition as Nightingale.

This bit is true:

Quote:
And contrary to many historical accounts, Seacole was never awarded a Crimea Medal for her efforts.

Yet not long ago, the same Daily Mail noted that Seacole:
Quote:

This story is part of a concerted campaign by the Tories and their friends to discredit black history as 'politically correct' and false. What's interesting about Seacole (and Nightingale) isn't so much the details of what she did, but of the obstacles she had to overcome in order to do it. Gove and the Mail are happier with simple narratives that paint black people as tragic victims or unhappy savages awaiting the civilising influence of white imperialism. It upsets them that schoolchildren are taught about a woman whose direct impact on the Crimean war was quite limited, but whose actions may transform the way we think about black people's participation in politics, from the nineteenth century to today. I mean, how can you put a date on that?


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs history
PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 12:45 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Oct 16, 2009 2:58 pm
Posts: 1282
Location: Bradford, West Yorkshire
Not many comments, but the nutters have started to come out of the woodwork:

Quote:
Yeah I always suspected this. Now, let's have some honest reporting about the failure of Darwinian Evolution, shall we? I challenge DM to put on a debate between Darwinists, IDs, and Creationists. Let's have an independent Judge to adjudicate. Go on. I dare you!
- Babalegi , Northern Transvaal, 31/12/2012 01:42

_________________
"To the living we owe respect, but to the dead we owe only the truth."
Voltaire


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs history
PostPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 5:28 pm 
Offline
in a handcart
User avatar

Joined: Tue Mar 21, 2006 2:55 pm
Posts: 1634
Location: Sussex by the sea
Quote:
This it is not a competition, the two women’s accomplishments are very different much due to their race and social positioning, as a middle class white woman Nightingale had to overcome the social stigma of ‘a woman’s place is in the home’ where as Seacole despite hash racial inequality and set backs still managed to persuaded her ambition of helping people. Both women have contributed to British history making Seacole just as deserving of recognition as Nightingale.

Unfortunately the Mail has to make everything a pointless competition: they can't see recognising black history alongside white history as just that, the two being recognised simultaneously; they can only see it as black history replacing white history.

_________________
"Stop making up quotes and attributing them to me" - Voltaire


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs history
PostPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 8:37 pm 
Offline

Joined: Sat Sep 08, 2012 6:42 pm
Posts: 147
hel wrote:
Quote:
This it is not a competition, the two women’s accomplishments are very different much due to their race and social positioning, as a middle class white woman Nightingale had to overcome the social stigma of ‘a woman’s place is in the home’ where as Seacole despite hash racial inequality and set backs still managed to persuaded her ambition of helping people. Both women have contributed to British history making Seacole just as deserving of recognition as Nightingale.

Unfortunately the Mail has to make everything a pointless competition: they can't see recognising black history alongside white history as just that, the two being recognised simultaneously; they can only see it as black history replacing white history.


Seeing things in a black and white manner eh? Well, that pretty much sums up the Mail's view on everything, doesn't it?


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs history
PostPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 8:44 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jul 25, 2006 1:23 pm
Posts: 4925
Location: West Midlands
As mentioned elsewhere, it's a common idea among the right to think of one person or group gaining status at the expense of another - such as Enoch Powell's 'black man holding the whip hand over the white man' - compare and contrast with MLK's idea of people sitting down to eat together. So if one group is promoted, they reason the other must be in some way disenfranchised or eclipsed.

_________________
Ten seconds... the pain begins.

Fifteen seconds... you can't breathe.

Twenty seconds... you give up and turn off the Jeremy Vine show.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs history
PostPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 10:32 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Oct 01, 2012 1:04 pm
Posts: 1180
Monumental deceit: How our politicians have lied and lied about the true purpose of the European behemoth

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... emoth.html

This well worn old chestnut about how 'traitor Heath' fooled a naive Britain is recycled this week by self styled 'investigative journalist' Christopher Booker.
Booker is a third rate polemecist who revered in right wing Mail circles an fine historian and Woodward and Bernstein rolled into one.

He reminds of us how his towering "comprehensively researched history of the ‘European project,’ " which revealed to an ignorant world the real plans of the EU devised by 'Frenchman' Jean Monnet.

Much to pick apart in the article but most amusing is that not only was Monnet a Frenchman and the secret planner of the United States of Europe but has helped Mail readers understand more about his distinguished career by correctly noting that after World War II 'the second most powerful man in France.'

Stragnely there is no mention of of the most powerful man in France at the time or the empty chairs crisis of 1966 which moulded the inter-govemental shape of the EU ever since.

Booker is also keen on anti climate change conspiracy theories, which are no doubt the result of secret world government cabals.


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 99 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 3, 4, 5, 6, 7

All times are UTC [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 0 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB © 2000, 2002, 2005, 2007 phpBB Group