The Mail vs non-traditional families

hel · **Posted:** Mon Apr 18, 2011 8:19 pm

(Not sure where to put this so I started a new thread)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... years.html
This was the front page today, hardly the most important issue in the world these days and could actually alienate some of their readers - if divorce, births outside wedlock, and cohabitation are as common as they say they are, then chances are at least some of their readers will have experienced them. New Labour get the blame of course, even though these trends started going up decades before they got in. Sigh...

ezinra · **Posted:** Tue May 24, 2011 9:51 am

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‘I am pro-commitment,’ [Ed Miliband] said, ‘but I think that unlike David Cameron, I am not going to say that those families that aren’t married are automatically less stable than those families that are.’

I don't think I've ever come across a less controversial opinion. Yet:

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With views like this Miliband is out of touch and unfit to lead a major political party.

- Anon, England, 23/5/2011 15:19 Rating 3

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Strange how the unmarried ones say everyone should be unmarried because they're jealous of the commitment of the married ones. Just because you can't find someone that's willing to be with you for the rest of your lives doesn't mean the rest of us can't.

- David, UK, 23/5/2011 14:06 Rating 6

Ed and his partner have been together for several years and have two children together. Unwillingly, it appears.

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Bringing up young in the 70's we had what Mr. Cameron is so keen to have today. Good community, strong policing, courts and jail sentences. No weakness on crime,just fear of local bobby, and neighbours. Armies of MARRIED women at home before children went to school. Teaching them social skills, behaviour, and reading before. Women with part time work in school hours, still able to monitor the behaviour of the young after school, who would get short shrift again at home for upsetting any one. An era before equality was the buzz word, and women had respect for playing such an important role. Before masses of NURSERIES, years before the bloated welfare system. Originally to help women left on their own. That spawned instead the new family unit of deliberate single mothers. With free housing, all the add ons, and young without male role models and no social skills starting school. Then you have the gall to UNFAIRLY target those/us women in their 50's in the pension reform!!

- Mrs. B, Great Britain., 23/5/2011 9:57 Rating 100

Good community = no blacks.
Strong policing = West Midlands Serious Crime Squad.
Fear of local bobby = stop and search.

I particularly love the last line. Scrap other people's benefits; increase mine!

mattomac · **Posted:** Tue May 24, 2011 9:57 am

ezinra wrote:

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Bringing up young in the 70's we had what Mr. Cameron is so keen to have today. Good community, strong policing, courts and jail sentences. No weakness on crime,just fear of local bobby, and neighbours. Armies of MARRIED women at home before children went to school. Teaching them social skills, behaviour, and reading before. Women with part time work in school hours, still able to monitor the behaviour of the young after school, who would get short shrift again at home for upsetting any one. An era before equality was the buzz word, and women had respect for playing such an important role. Before masses of NURSERIES, years before the bloated welfare system. Originally to help women left on their own. That spawned instead the new family unit of deliberate single mothers. With free housing, all the add ons, and young without male role models and no social skills starting school. Then you have the gall to UNFAIRLY target those/us women in their 50's in the pension reform!!

- Mrs. B, Great Britain., 23/5/2011 9:57 Rating 100

Yeah and then free market Reaganeconomics and Thatcherism arrived.....

bluebellnutter · **Posted:** Tue May 24, 2011 10:15 am

One of those wonderful moments when the Mailites turn against some sort of tenement of Thatcherism, yet point this out and they'll flatly deny it. "You couldn't make it up".

Malcolm Armsteen · **Posted:** Tue May 24, 2011 11:43 am

Whilst I love the idea of a tenement of Thatcherism - a sort of Bleak House house - I'm not sure that's what you meant...

bluebellnutter · **Posted:** Tue May 24, 2011 12:18 pm

"Ah yes. I was wondering who'd be the first to spot that."

Bones McCoy · **Joined:** Mon Aug 16, 2010 9:08 am **Posts:** 7330

bluebellnutter wrote:

"Ah yes. I was wondering who'd be the first to spot that."

Mister Littlejohn I presume..

Messianic Trees · **Joined:** Fri Mar 18, 2011 10:50 pm **Posts:** 2835

Are these the most PC parents in the world? The couple raising a 'genderless baby'... to protect his (or her) right to choice

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z1NJ6emqRq

Article and comments pretty much as you'd expect.

ACG · **Posted:** Tue May 24, 2011 10:43 pm

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Friends cleverly accused the couple of taking away the newborn's right to choice by imposing their own ideology on the tiny baby.

i questions the mails use of the first and second words here.

ezinra · **Posted:** Tue May 24, 2011 11:13 pm

The Mail hacks must have had a giant smile on their faces when they pressed 'Publish' on this one.

I particularly enjoyed:

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One more confused child and unhappy man of the future .This country breeds loonies by the thousand. Never mind ,the welfare state will step in to try and unravel the mess in twenty years time. Maybe they should intervene today. Or is this thing just some kind of wind up? Roger Worthing

- roger woodhouse, worthing UK, 24/5/2011 11:50 Rating 10

Memo to Roger: It is better to read the article before venting your spleen. Otherwise you end up looking like a wally.

glasgowgril · **Joined:** Fri Jan 29, 2010 2:51 pm **Posts:** 1439

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Then you have the gall to UNFAIRLY target those/us women in their 50's in the pension reform!!

Oh well, that's my previously-firmly-held belief that most women in their 50s are more like me than my mother, shot down.

First time I've seen the 70s lauded as a golden age, mind you. I suppose those who are well into the crimplene jumpers and pearls at 54 can't really look back to the 50s with any credibility and have to update the nostalgia slightly.

ezinra · **Posted:** Tue May 24, 2011 11:57 pm

On the other hand, it supports my flimsy case in an argument I have punctually with my mother about spelling and grammar. We both agree that previous generations (roughly born pre-1960s) were much more proficient in these matters than my and younger generations. However, for my mother, this is a sign of superior education and lucidity; whereas I'm convinced that people her age are just as inarticulate, just as incapable of constructing a meaningful sentence or argument, as any other generation.
Mrs B's spelling is impeccable, but her comment reads like it was written by Ron Manager on a telex machine.

Mr Mordon · **Posted:** Wed May 25, 2011 11:02 am

First two words in the article:

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Meet Storm

I think the kids gender will be the least of his/her issues with a name like that :roll:

Malcolm Armsteen · **Posted:** Wed May 25, 2011 11:11 am

Mrs Armsteen once taught a child named Kaos...

J · **Joined:** Fri Sep 25, 2009 2:06 pm **Posts:** 349

I knew a chap called Leaf and thought he had hippie parents but he was originally a Brian or Dave or something and changed it, presumably in a bid to be more interesting. I did once go for an interview with a chap called Mr (Insert mainstream surname here) and I said something like, "Nice to meet you Mr Brown (or whoever) and he said, "Oh please! Call me Zen!" I spent the rest of the interview wondering if this ordinary looking chap in an old suit had actually just told me his name was Zen. It was.

I also used to know a very elderly gentleman called Bruce Leigh who hadn't a clue what all of these 'youngsters with their karate-chop jokes' were on about and found it all tiresome.

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