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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs non-traditional families
PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2011 6:57 pm 
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Six men convicted of raping a pair of 12-year-olds have been freed from prison by the appeal court. It appears to be a crappy decision; even so, there's no excuse for this:
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1 So what? Is that meant to be an excuse? A justification?

2 Isn't it time the Mail stopped using this stupid, charged expression? My parents' house didn't suddenly fissure when they separated. What does it mean anyway? Is it just a way of lumping single parents in with separated and divorced parents to create a category of 'families we don't really approve of'?

3 If you took into account these men's social backgrounds, I'm sure that having 4 out of 6 with divorced or single parents wouldn't be exceptional. It might well be average. It still has nothing to do with rape.

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the case also exposes the increasing sexualisation of children

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 9:26 am 
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And another one:

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Looks like broken families create monsters. Stay with one for whole life do not screw around and kids will be fine.

- John Baker, Aberdeen, 24/7/2011 19:25 Rating 168


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'His house was bought from an English couple a year ago. The shutters are drawn at the moment, and I don't think anyone has been there since Saturday.' - Cournanel village mayor Alain Costes The English are invading the whole of Europe and they dare moan about immigration! ah

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OT but I do like this one - wonder what all the "ex pats" will make of this.

BTW can someone tell me how to quote the mail comments without copying and pasting.


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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs non-traditional families
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Why is the Mail interested in an artist who makes video portraits and indie movies? Well, Sam Taylor-Wood, 44, is pregnant by her 21-year-old fiancé. The Mail itself couldn't possibly comment on this situation, but notes that it has "raised eyebrows" and provoked "sceptics" — none of whom are sourced or quoted. The readers oblige:

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I feel sorry for him. She's stolen his early twenties freedom and should have said NO.

- cross_lady, berkshire, 31/7/2011 17:33 Rating 61

Let me get this right. When a young woman dates an older man, she's a gold-digger. When an older woman dates a young man, she's a predator and a thief. And a young man's freedom is a young woman's … promiscuity?

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Disgusting

- Typical, UK, 31/7/2011 17:26 Rating 108

Yes, happy couples, people in love — an outrage.

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Wow! He's turning down work offers so he can stay at home and watch the babies grow?? Feel for the boy.

- estee, Surrey, 30/7/2011 23:20 Rating 4

Mail readers whinge about absent fathers. Now here's a man who wants to stay at home with his kids, and what's the reaction? Pity.


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The Mailites have a Goldilocks zone though - "Wait till your father gets home!".

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Pink Floyd family values: It's not just rioter Charlie Gilmour... how four rock stars had EIGHTEEN children by eight women

From the Department of So Fucking What…

The Mail manages to royally screw up this non-story. Firstly it only profiles seventeen children, missing out one of the Waters. Secondly, its use of the word 'had' in the headline is questionable: Charlie is David Gilmour's stepson, whom he adopted when he married Charlie's mother. Furthermore, the whole premise is bollocks when you consider that Gilmour is responsible for almost half of the brood. The other three Floydsters — Syd doesn't get a look-in here — produced ten sprogs between them, at a hardly noteworthy average of 3.3 per dad. And most dismally of all for the Mail, the adult kids all seem to be leading perfectly unexceptional, slightly posh lives (as, I suspect, Charlie will in time).

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just another DM character assassination. Yawn.

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How 'experts' are trying to kill off the traditional family: Trendy thinktank claims most of us live in alternative set-ups
Only one in six Britons think they live in a 'traditional family', according to report
Britons are increasingly likely to describe single-parent, same-sex, or unmarried couples as 'proper' families


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Typical of today's intellectuals. The more "educated" they get, the more stupid they become.
- Scabbard, Wellington, New Zealand, 6/12/2011 1:52

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Unless the British return to the "traditional family" soon, they're doomed! - Paul Holbourne, Chiang Mai Thailand, Absolutely right, Paul. History has shown time and time again that the nuclear family is the best and most stable way to bring up children. It is not perfect but infinitely better than alternatives.
- Terry McCarthy, Chiang Mai, Thailand, 6/12/2011 3:43

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Unless the British return to the "traditional family" soon, they're doomed! - Paul Holbourne, Chiang Mai This is the most intelligent, apt statement I have ever read in the DM - thank you Paul...(I have often wondered myself that the "Fall of the British Empire" will be soon; due to life-styles and attitudes and that political correctness ran amok!)
- ex-pat, San Antonio, 6/12/2011 2:45

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Hate to be judgemental on appearances, but the look of that woman "doctor" just screams loony left.
- Reubenene, Somewhere In The World, 6/12/2011 2:00

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Well I appreciate your 'advice', experts. I tell you what. You go and live in your version of what a modern 'family' looks like, and leave me in peace to live my life in my version. For the record, all the children born in the last three generations of our family, were born into a married husband and wife relationship. No divorces either, same time span. Dare I suggest that our version actually works? No, of course not! Married? How very twentieth century.
- The way it is, Greater London, 6/12/2011 1:13

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The family is under attack on all fronts. The stupidity of this line of thinking beggars belief. How can two men or two women celebrate anything approaching the marriage of a man and a woman providing a home for children? How can a 'unit' that does not include at least one parent and children be called a family? It has taken a number of years of undermining the roles of parents and usurping their responsibilities in what their children should be educated about to bring us to this sorry state. What I find most sick about all this social engineering is that the taxpayers, that is you and me, are paying for the production of such tripe and the children growing up today are being raised without any framework that will allow them to form stable family units or functioning communities in the future.
- Agnes, Somewhere, 6/12/2011 1:24

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The destruction of the family has been a long term goal of the social engineers working on behalf of the powers that be. With no family support or influence, we become a society of sheep dependent on the state's experts, social worker's, benefits agencies,counselling,etc. With no traditional guidance, we become compliant consumers of whatever is fed to us and sleepwalk into slavery.
- tom bowden, perth australia, 6/12/2011 6:11

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The traditional family was one of the targets of Karl Marx, hence why Labour and other Marxist inspired groups are targeting it through policies, the BBC and pressure groups. The traditional family was one of the targets of Karl Marx, hence why Labour and other Marxist inspired groups are targeting it through policies, the BBC and pressure groups.The 'Left' employs a strategy used in ballistics to hit a target. In order to hit a near target, one must aim at a far one. Their ultimate aim is to cause such discontent and disunity as to cause a revolution, whereby the more organised Marxists take over. High taxes, high unemployment, high inflation, low education, are all the result of Labour's strategy of creating the environment for revolution. This strategy was employed by many other socialist regimes around the workd during the last decade. Labour, Lib Dems, Unions, Media, Academics, UN, IMF, NGOs etc. have been hijacked by Marxists and being used to bring down the West. We must resist!
- Sergey Romanov, Oxford, 6/12/2011 3:27

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This woman is a joke ,a Dr of what and an expert in what ??.massageing numbers/any report with the word s BLAIR /BROWN AND QUANGO init is flooredthe servey was to small and useing percentagesthen figures.to me means you have no data 3000 phone calls? 60000 homes . there 7.4 million people in the UK and this is all you can come up with ? Dr Rake you are a fake.DAVEget rid of this quango.
- Bill, Maidenhead, 6/12/2011 1:23

I lost the will to live at this point.


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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs non-traditional families
PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 11:01 am 
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If I were Dr Rake I would be contacting the Mail over Bill's illiterate and innumerate comments, and asking for his log-in details so that my solicitors could send him a little note about defamation.
Quite how does someone so illiterate, on the basis of no knowledge or understanding get to call a serious researcher a fake? And, more importantly, how does a 'serious' news outlet allow that comment to appear? Because of course it supports Dacre's anti-science, anti-research agenda...

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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs non-traditional families
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So "Researchers find that most people freely describe themselves as X, rather than Y" is read as "Unelected quangocrats say that Y is sick and wrong, X is much better and we want to make everyone do it". :?

If it's about all people then I can believe that a lot of people aren't 'traditional' (as opposed to only questioning a certain set of 'families', rather than households or individuals). I know I'm not an average person (I'm young) but pretty much everyone I know around my age lives as an unmarried couple, or a 'singleton'.

Plenty of their parents are divorced and single, with a partner but unmarried, or married but looking after step children. The family over the road have adopted a relative's child, a couple of houses down is a recently seperated woman and her kids.....

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The day I finally realised marriage matters

After ten years and three children, Ali still didn't see the need to tie the knot. Then, at 45, came a revelation...

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It’s more than a piece of paper, it’s an attitude. It’s time to opt in, not out. It’s time to stand proud and call Stephen my husband, not mumble awkwardly that he’s my boyfriend or partner.

That's it. That's the revelation.

Oh, and the writer has a book out.


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I think the greater revelation here is that she has a book to flog.


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It's certainly the only reason she's written that...

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Pink Floyd family values: It's not just rioter Charlie Gilmour... how four rock stars had EIGHTEEN children by eight women

From the Department of So Fucking What…

The Mail manages to royally screw up this non-story. Firstly it only profiles seventeen children, missing out one of the Waters. Secondly, its use of the word 'had' in the headline is questionable: Charlie is David Gilmour's stepson, whom he adopted when he married Charlie's mother. Furthermore, the whole premise is bollocks when you consider that Gilmour is responsible for almost half of the brood. The other three Floydsters — Syd doesn't get a look-in here — produced ten sprogs between them, at a hardly noteworthy average of 3.3 per dad. And most dismally of all for the Mail, the adult kids all seem to be leading perfectly unexceptional, slightly posh lives (as, I suspect, Charlie will in time).

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just another DM character assassination. Yawn.

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That'd be about par for a Mormon and a half - but I don't expect to see that in the soaraway transatlantic on-line-Mail.


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The 190 families with ten children who cost you more than £11million in benefits A YEAR

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