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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs non-traditional families
PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 7:11 pm 
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How is that news? "People fall out with each other over something ".

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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs non-traditional families
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Yes Alex. The mail online is shameful and sick.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 9:27 am 
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Why being a stay at home dad is the quickest way to kill your sex life (and can even lead wives to stray)

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I just don’t think most men are cut out to be stay-at-home-dads — and the consequences when it doesn’t work out can be devastating.

While the six months I spent with Sonny were rewarding in myriad ways, not only was I bored, lonely, and depressed, but my relationship with my partner was blighted by blazing rows and bickering, my libido dwindled and our sex life became non-existent.

Most women, presumably, are cut out to be stay-at-home mums. Of course, they never get bored, lonely or depressed — and so what if they do? There's always Pilates. Or cake.

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The daily grind of feeding, changing, washing and folding started to make me feel like an exhausted housewife.

The horror, the horror.

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With every snuggle suit that was hung on the line to dry, a little piece of my masculinity blew away in the wind.

But what really hammered my self-confidence was the way other men reacted when I told them I was now a stay-at-home dad.

So the biggest blow to his pride comes from the prehistoric attitudes of other men. Colour me shocked. The headline and intro still manage to point the finger at uppity women who want to work, breast-feed, or enjoy a sex life.

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The shocking truth is, being a stay-at-home dad can have a terrible effect on relationships, as divorce lawyer Vanessa Lloyd Platt has witnessed.

Incredibly, she says that divorces where the man is a full-time dad have doubled in the last five years, and now account for 10 per cent of all marital break-ups.

I'm sure the number of full-time dads has also doubled over that period.

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Men are emotionally far less able to cope than women with the frustrations of full-time parenting. To men like me, who define themselves by their work, it is emasculating.

And to women who define themselves the same way? Blah blah maternal instinct blah blah gift for nurturing blah.

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‘Men should only consider it if they are calm, flexible, put others first and have a very thick skin.’

This from a development psychologist, who apparently doesn't have much faith in people's ability to, you know, develop.

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I’d risen to editor of men’s magazine Loaded.

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Only mugs get married in the UK and US. It's hard enough to cope with rampant female hypergamy unchecked by society in the West which indulges an entitlement pampered Princess attitude by default without unfair fembot divorce laws designed to favor the feminine imperative.

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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs non-traditional families
PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 9:57 am 
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25 for forcing Mailites to look up "hypergamy".
Admittedly a new word to me. :(

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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs non-traditional families
PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 3:15 pm 
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To be honest, I think all those things are a risk for any couple with a stay-at-home parent. Which is why a better work-life balance, for instance both people working part-time and splitting childcare is a winner for all concerned. But you try getting the Mail to see that.


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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs non-traditional families
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To be honest, I think all those things are a risk for any couple with a stay-at-home parent. Which is why a better work-life balance, for instance both people working part-time and splitting childcare is a winner for all concerned. But you try getting the Mail to see that.

Exactly. When oldest Fozzy was a baby, I went all maternal and was convinced that no-one else could look after my little angel. However, I found my basic sense of self-worth sinking ever lower, and in the interests of sanity I took up a couple of part time jobs that I could do at home, though it wasn't easy. Ultimately our finances were such that I had no choice but to go back to work part time when he was 15 months old, whereupon life improved all round. For no. 2, having the luxury of secure child care in place, I took around 5 months off, and for no. 3 it was only around 10 weeks. I dare say there are people who are perfectly happy in the company of small children doing the housework all day, but certainly the mere fact that you are female doesn't automatically put you into that category.


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Lesbian couple, surrogate mother and sperm donor in three-year legal battle over right to be child's parents
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z26dwJ8QRb
The c**tfest hasn't started yet.

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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs non-traditional families
PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2012 6:42 pm 
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Surprisingly there are a few comments defending the lesbian couple and calling the straights selfish, eg:

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So hang on, let me get this right - an arrangement was made that the child would be born and brought up by the female couple which happened and the child was brought up by them and they bonded. Then a few years down the line the sperm donors wife who is nothing to do with the child biologically or had any hand in bringing her up decides she wants to snatch the child and goes to court to try and take the child from the people who have brought her up and she has bonded with? And she is calling the female couple selfish? No matter what you think of same sex couples adopting the fact is that this woman tried to take this child of the only parents it knew on a whim. If she couldn't deal with it she should have sorted that with her husband before the donation happened rather than waiting till the child was here and suddenly deciding she couldn't live without a child which wasn't hers. She sounds unstable.
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While this trumpet blast is, quite rightly, red-arrowed:

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why,oh why donate sperm.... it's not a loving relationship via a man and a woman... society is already messed up due to the anti-male, anti-family courts (or is that female biased courts)... it's time men started to wake up to the tyranny of women and not bow down to their every whim. Look at society now, you only have to look at how women are placed above men in law and society as a whole. Men are seen as walking wallets and sperm donors, men are seen as a deposable source of wealth for women... sick society and getting sicker by the minute. we as men really need to change, hopefully women will follow, yet i doubt it. men need to start seeing themselves as a worthy as women are.
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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs non-traditional families
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I'm sure I've seen "mehere" of Buxton a few times before. Deeply bitter, persecution complex, everything-ist, and not very pleasant. He's very anti-women, beyond the casual sexism, beyond even the norms we've come to expect. Far as he's concerned, they're all gold diggers and whores. Or both. Or gold digging lesbian whores. Keep him well away from any sharp implements. Or blunt ones for that matter.

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... men need to start seeing themselves as a worthy as women are.


It's never too late. Psychiatry begins at home, dear boy.

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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs non-traditional families
PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2012 1:39 pm 
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Stand by! They'll have a fucking aneurysm at this one:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/2012/oc ... ly-set-ups

The logical gymastics they engage in to try and pin this on Labour should be good.


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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs non-traditional families
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Even at 40, I STILL hate being an only child

Should really be in the First world problems thread. The underlying message is that more and more women are having just one child, which is bad because … well, you can make up your own reasons, they can't be worse than the ones in this article. It comes on the same day as a front-page story bashing the "incendiary" attitudes of women who don't want to have any children; as the Queen's advises Kate Winslet that being a mother is "the only job that matters"; and that the Oxford Union has invited a male model to talk about why "Being a man is back in fashion." (That's man as in real man.) Not forgetting the daily dose of celebrity women gushing about their pregnancies.

I expect Platell or Jones to chip in with one of their 'Lonely this Christmas' heartbreakers imminently.


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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs non-traditional families
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Oooh, that's one that *really* pushes my buttons. Our daughter is an only child, not through choice, but every so often you get some wanker that decides to sit in judgement on us for having an only child. Like it's any of their business whether they know the facts or not. Had one of those at my grandmother's funeral - like I wanted to hear shit like that then. I was calm about it then (surprisingly) but the next time I hear it I may be a lit more _forceful_...


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