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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs foreign aid
PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2011 12:45 am 
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Yep, thats a better come back!
Was having a go at his moan about the cost of essentials when the people this policy is about often don't have the essentials


It's not even the essentials though he sounds like he owns two cars...


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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs foreign aid
PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2011 7:53 am 
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Time for a record attempt I think:

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Utterly disgusting and disgraceful comments on this article. For a readership quick to crow about Christian values, not many seem to be in evidence around here. I fail to see how any sensible compassionate human being could say this was not anything but a good thing.


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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs foreign aid
PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2011 8:56 am 
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You know, in many ways – in fact in every way – it’s the Tories that are to blame for this seemingly prevalent “fuck the sick and starving foreign children” attitude amongst Mail-ite internet commentators. Notice how virtually all the commentators seem to be hung up on the need for urgent and immediate government spending cuts to balance the UK’s budget. How compassionate expenditure abroad is therefore some kind of luxury that cannot and should not be indulged in by a government that is sworn to sort out the UK economy. It never occurs to them that it’s still possible for a wealthy economy like the UK's to address the deficit and do the right thing in terms of overseas aid, and the concept of enlightened self-interest is completely alien to them.

Without losing sight of the fact that the Mail commentators are all vindictive, self-centred, hate-fuelled, pea-brained, gullible cock-sockets to begin with, and therefore highly susceptible to swallowing the sort of must-get-the-deficit down-pronto-by-cutting-blue-buggery-out-of-public-spending cobblers that the Tories have been peddling for the last 3 years, it is undoubtedly the case that the Tories themselves have a certain responsibility for engendering this attitude – even as they carry on supporting the vaccination programme. Fair play to Cameron for sticking to the principle of supporting this essential programme, but I sometimes wonder if he is fully aware of the attitudes of far too many that support his party?

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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs foreign aid
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Fair play to Cameron for sticking to the principle of supporting this essential programme, but I sometimes wonder if he is fully aware of the attitudes of far too many that support his party?

I think he is, and this policy is an appeal to centre-minded voters, especially whiggish LibDems fond of worthy grandiosity and not fond of Chris Huhne. Cameron and Steve Hilton know they still have to disprove the 'nasty party' accusations, and picking a fight with the little-Englander wing on this issue, in which the government plainly owns the moral high ground, is a relatively cheap way to do it. Cameron & co are also desperate to offer a reward to the bigger charities, since the Big Society depends on their support (and offers them opportunities to expand) at the same time as the main victims of the cuts in the UK — the poor and disadvantaged — will be looking to the third sector to give them a voice. If voluntary organisations turn against the Tories, as they did last time round, the Big Society is fucked, and Cameron will be left trying to appease the rotten core of euro-nutters and Muslim-bashers in his party.


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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs foreign aid
PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2011 1:36 pm 
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Fair play to Cameron for sticking to the principle of supporting this essential programme, but I sometimes wonder if he is fully aware of the attitudes of far too many that support his party?

I think he is, and this policy is an appeal to centre-minded voters, especially whiggish LibDems fond of worthy grandiosity and not fond of Chris Huhne. Cameron and Steve Hilton know they still have to disprove the 'nasty party' accusations, and picking a fight with the little-Englander wing on this issue, in which the government plainly owns the moral high ground, is a relatively cheap way to do it. Cameron & co are also desperate to offer a reward to the bigger charities, since the Big Society depends on their support (and offers them opportunities to expand) at the same time as the main victims of the cuts in the UK — the poor and disadvantaged — will be looking to the third sector to give them a voice. If voluntary organisations turn against the Tories, as they did last time round, the Big Society is fucked, and Cameron will be left trying to appease the rotten core of euro-nutters and Muslim-bashers in his party.


Ahh - yet another slavishy-parroted element of the old Tony Blair strategy of taking one step to the right and attacking your own party on the basis of the cynical calculation that they have "nowhere else to go" in order to gain wider appeal. Except obviously Cameron takes one step to the left then bashes the dinosaurs in the Tory party/Daily Mail bulletin fora. I think you've hit the nail smack on the head there, Ezinra. Take a gold star.

Will the third sector be taken in, though?

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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs foreign aid
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These people are, essentially, proactively in favour of babies dying needlessly from preventable diseases. If that's not inhuman I don't know what is.


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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs foreign aid
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Ahh - yet another slavishy-parroted element of the old Tony Blair strategy of taking one step to the right and attacking your own party on the basis of the cynical calculation that they have "nowhere else to go" in order to gain wider appeal. Except obviously Cameron takes one step to the left then bashes the dinosaurs in the Tory party/Daily Mail bulletin fora.

Cameron does have to be wary of Ukip and the BNP though, especially in the European elections. He also has to keep the press onside. It's not quite the same as it was for Blair, where there genuinely was nothing to the left of Labour, except perhaps in Scotland and Wales, and where a contrary step would meet the approval of much of Fleet Street.

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Will the third sector be taken in, though?

It will, and rightly so. Charities' political activity has two goals: ensuring they have enough funding to meet their users' needs, and influencing policies that will benefit their users. They have two possible strategies: engage with government, or put pressure on it through the media / via direct action. They will avoid the latter where possible, especially during a recession when donations are drying up and competition for funding is intense, unless the government obstinately refuses to listen to them, as Thatcher's did, or assaults them, as Mitterrand's did.

The third sector has always had strong relations with the LibDems, and the Conservatives were trying to woo it even back when Hague was leader. The Tories offer access to wealth, and opportunities to take over some public-sector activities (think housing associations, faith schools, care homes, etc). International-minded NGOs such as Oxfam and Christian Aid, who will get a lot of this extra development money, have always operated in the shadow of the larger, much more bureaucratic, somewhat more corrupt UN; a change in the balance of power there should be beneficial for donors, users and governments.

The big losers in the voluntary sector will be arts groups and small, local, highly specialised services for children, disabled and old people. As these were previously funded by local councils, the Tories are hoping they will absorb some of the blame. Such organisations are too small and too diverse to mount any kind of action beyond sending a sadface picture into the local newspaper and accepting condolences from a few bleeding hearts. The Tories will dance on their graves, though.


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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs foreign aid
PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2011 3:25 pm 
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These people are, essentially, proactively in favour of babies dying needlessly from preventable diseases. If that's not inhuman I don't know what is.


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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs foreign aid
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babies dying needlessly from preventable diseases


No no, you just aren't getting it. These are BLACK babies. Some of them also have Muslim parents. They may well grow up, if they survive because of BRITISH-FUNDED vaccinations <spit>, to be black Muslim adults. Says it all, really.


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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs foreign aid
PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2011 7:28 pm 
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babies dying needlessly from preventable diseases


No no, you just aren't getting it. These are BLACK babies. Some of them also have Muslim parents. They may well grow up, if they survive because of BRITISH-FUNDED vaccinations <spit>, to be black Muslim adults. Says it all, really.


It's fortunate the Mailites prefer common sense to science.
If the reverse were true, they'd have developed a triple BMG vaccine (black muslim and gay).


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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs foreign aid
PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2011 10:46 am 
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Brings to mind an episode of series one of On The Hour that I was listening to yesterday, with a spoof religious radio show segment in the middle.

If those shows were repeated today, I'm sure dozens -if not hundreds- of Mail readers who happen to tune in looking for I'm Sorry I'll Read That Again would call up the station or go online, looking for the Liberals and Homosexulas Scaring Device, thinking it were real.

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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs foreign aid
PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 9:39 am 
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Latest in the Mail's ongoing crusade against foreign aid:

Ten great myths about foreign aid: After Cameron described critics as 'hard-hearted', how your money is squandered
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z1RPHu9fp9

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- mr woo , glasgow scotland, 7/7/2011 5:40


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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs foreign aid
PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 11:05 am 
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We are giving more than £300 per household to the world’s poor while public sector jobs are lost and vital services for the elderly and disabled are closed

Are my eyes deceiving me? Is the Mail saying that losing public sector jobs is a bad thing?

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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs foreign aid
PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 11:16 am 
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Arnold wrote:
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We are giving more than £300 per household to the world’s poor while public sector jobs are lost and vital services for the elderly and disabled are closed

Are my eyes deceiving me? Is the Mail saying that losing public sector jobs is a bad thing?


Public sector jobs and services obviously trump forrins.


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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs foreign aid
PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 2:07 pm 
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Some of the most feckwitted posters names ever on that article.

send this to your MP!
- kevin quilter, Leicester UKnotOK(probably the highest taxed nation on the planet??), 07/7/2011 09:37

No kevin,try moving to Sweden.

sorry but I give nothing to these charities as they all get ripped off by some evil greedy so and so.
- watching the world go completely mad lol, Blackpool uk, 07/7/2011 09:38

lol doesnt stop you being a twunt.

Aid is all about the idle rich feeling munificent and good about themselves. If aid really is any actual use, why is Africa in exactly the same state, if not a great deal worse after billions were poured in following Live Aid over two decades ago?? Why do these shambolic countries continue to get worse, with no proper sanitation, no proper schools, no infrastructure? It's simple, there is absolutely no impetus to do well if it is all provided for you! Look at our own welfare state. If Mr Cameron wishes to be photographed with the unfortunate poor, perhaps he should give up being Prime Minister and become a Missionary instead.

- Sj, UK, and thoroughly embarrassed and ashamed of it., 7/7/2011 10:34

Cos Africa is all the same init, and move if you are so ashamed!

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17 foreign aid fat cats are earning more than £90,000 ............. Huge pay packets of Whitehall’s international development ‘FAT CATS’ have angered the decision to increase overseas aid despite deep spending cuts at home _____ Figures show 17 bureaucrats at the Department for International Development earn between £90,000 and £170,000.______ Their total salary of £1,795,000 is more than the amount DFID spends on donations to some of the world’s poorest countries _____ Official figures showed the most senior civil servant at DFID, Permanent Secretary NEMAT SHAFIK earns £170,000.... MARK LOWCOCK, director general of the department’s ‘country programme’ is paid £135,000. Finance boss RICHARD CALVERT is paid £125,000. _____ FREE AID TO OTHER COUNTRIES _______ But at Home .... WAGES CUT ....... 1000'S LOOSE JOBS ..... NHS CUTS .... ARMED FORCES KILLED BECAUSE OF EQUIPMENT SHORTAGES ........ Aid to INDIA who have their own space programme ___ MP's are not worth all THEIR EXPENSES

- UK in CRISIS, Nottm, 7/7/2011 11:40

Stream of consciousness?

So let me get this right then, we give away more of tax payers money overseas yet now talk about increasing taxes on pensioners just in case they need residential care.....What idiot thought that policy up.

- addenuff, Blair, Brown and now Cameron and Clegg's Godforsaken Land, 7/7/2011

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Oh and this guy is just a twunt,along with the 39 who agreed with him.

These people chop-down their trees then want aid when it rains and the water runs straight down the hills and floods them! They fail to limit their population and expect us to feed them and their brats! They fail to store food during the good times, to get them through the droughts! They fight pointless wars, over trivia, neglect their agriculture and expect us to feed them! Their rulers sit on solid gold lavatory seats (etc.) whilst their subjects starve and expect us to feed them! Cameron is a gullible idealist, with his head in the clouds. These people will be a constant drain on our scarce resources. All the billions of pounds that we have handed-over to Africa (etc.) over the years have achieved nothing - they are a waste of time and effort. Abandoning them is the right approach - tough but right! Absolutely stop their coming to the UK - it is full.

- Dave, Bournemouth, UK, 7/7/2011 9:09
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