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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs Art
PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 7:24 pm 
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I think Hirst is shit, but I don't feel particularly brave for saying so!



I agree, and I do not see why my personal opinion should be seen as anything more than that, or used to condemn all modern art.

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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs Art
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Quite. I know what I like and I choose to look at that. Whatever it may be at the moment...


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 8:59 am 
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The focus on money and an overly-prescriptive definition of art is all they ever do.

I don't like a lot of Hirst's work, or what he represents. But I despise the laziness and prejudice towards much contemporary art.

It's hardly radical to say you dislike Hirst, too.

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Damien Hirst is a cock of the highest order:

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-enter ... 81463.html

... in which our hero prosecutes a teenage boy for £500k art theft because the took a box of pencils that were part of an installation.

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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs Art
PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 11:31 am 
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Yeah a big reason for disliking him. Plus his derivative art made for the purposes of making money.

However what I wouldn't ever criticize him or any other artist for is the old 'anyone could do that' argument. You, but they didn't did they?

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One of the most memorable pieces of art I ever saw was a huge frame made out of white thread in the middle of an otherwise empty gallery room. I am not very good at art appreciation but it made a big impression on me - very disorientating and thought-provoking. Yes, anyone could have actually put up the thread. But as you say it's thinking of it.

A more general question - what exactly do Mail people get out of being so horrible? Being nasty to and about others does not make you feel good. Well, it doesn't make me feel good.


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i'm of the opinion hirst probably peaked in the 90's but can still make the odd nice piece. his work hasn't been at all helped by the hugeness of it's market value, he doesn't seem to know what to do with the money he has and gets offered, and would probably better of taking the freud approach and just pretending he's not got any.

as for him being a dick? well yeah i don't think anyone would argue otherwise, but that same fact applies to more artists than it doesn't, and really shouldn't be a factor when looking at and considering work. i like bernini sculptures, but he was a psychotic misogynist*, and next to that hirst's litigiousness (of which there are other examples besides the above) isn't even all that bad.


*his respose to being refused by a woman was to pay a third person to slash her face, so no one else would ever want her**

**like the danny dyer of the art word i suppose.

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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs Art
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glasgowgril wrote:
A more general question - what exactly do Mail people get out of being so horrible? Being nasty to and about others does not make you feel good. Well, it doesn't make me feel good.


i think it makes them feel better. what's the easier thing to do? accept that other people are different from you, and thus have different tastes and like or appreciate different things? or frame every option outside of your own as "wrong" and thus need to dress up the people who hold that opionion as stupid, laugable, or even (refering back to the idea that art is somehow a con) criminal.

see also: and mail opinion on every other matter of difference.

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Hirst is on TV right now - Channel 4 (I will be watching on +1 at 9:00pm).

Will he prove himself to be a dick and a chancer? Most probably.

I'm more than interested in seeing what his old art teacher has to say - if my first choice of high school was rejected and I had to go to my second choice he would, in all probability, have been mine.


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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs Art
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Probably as much as Emin who was last seen moaning about paying too much tax. As if she's not had about 10 years of City cunts paying her fortunes.


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Probably as much as Emin who was last seen moaning about paying too much tax. As if she's not had about 10 years of City cunts paying her fortunes.

Tory cunt - nuff said.

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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs Art
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I have to admit I had sympathy with the views of the great Brian Sewell at the start of the Hirst prog tonight:

"It's a shark in a tank. When you put it in a gallery, it's still a shark in a tank. What makes it art? It's simply not good enough to say putting it in a gallery does".

That said, it sounds as though the Hirst retrospective is going to be humungously popular.

I tried to like Damien Hirst, but then found out he is friends with Bono.

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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs Art
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Picasso created his 'Bull' sculpture in about 3 seconds flat, out of a bicycle saddle and handlebars. Spot of glue and - ta-dah - a bull's head. Traditional Japanese Ki artists spend time in silent preparation before creating masterpieces of calligraphy or whatever their speciality is in a flash.

The idea and the execution are all. The idea that it's only 'proper' art if you spend ages toiling over it takes us back to the idea that a job's only a 'proper' job if it involves lifting something heavy.

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But Hirst (or at any rate his hired help) DID spend many hours toiling to set up the shark in the tank. So it meets that criterion. I still have sympathy with Sewell's point. It really is just a shark in a tank.

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Andy McDandy wrote:
Picasso created his 'Bull' sculpture in about 3 seconds flat, out of a bicycle saddle and handlebars. Spot of glue and - ta-dah - a bull's head. Traditional Japanese Ki artists spend time in silent preparation before creating masterpieces of calligraphy or whatever their speciality is in a flash.

The idea and the execution are all. The idea that it's only 'proper' art if you spend ages toiling over it takes us back to the idea that a job's only a 'proper' job if it involves lifting something heavy.


Spot on. Just like music - "I could play that". I don't care either that Hirst has a team making his work for him - just that the work is cobblers.

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