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 Post subject: The Mail Vs Drinking
PostPosted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 9:46 am 
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The Mail doesn't seem to like working-class people going out and getting drunk,but if it was a 'rich' person getting drunk and they needed to go to a AA meeting the Mail expects their readers to break out the tea and sympathy,is it a case of Drink for me,but not for you. :?:


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 Post subject: Re: The Mail Vs Drinking
PostPosted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 1:12 pm 
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Obviously. As your average, nice, white, upper-middle-class Mail reader sips his daily gallon of Chateau Lafite, or Gordon's & Tonic, or Johnny Walker Black Label, or fucking crap like Stella Artois or WKD, it does not matter because he or she is a Mail reader and thus implicitly fully aware of their actions and able to control them. It's only ugly, spotty, working-class or better still unemployed plebs who can't handle their honest English ale and end up throwing up in the gutters and pissing in doorways.

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 Post subject: Re: The Mail Vs Drinking
PostPosted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 1:54 pm 
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That's too simple.
The Mail still applies Victorian ideas about social class. As do many of its readers. Remember that the class system depends upon knowing to whom you defer and who you despise.

The aristocracy are to be respected, but are probably a bit suspect, morally, and although you wouldn't make a big deal of it you wouldn't expect them to follow the same set of rigid rules as everybody else.

The upper classes (Social Group A - the Establishment) are mostly to be respected, after all they are rich and have position and power, unless of course they have made their money through entertainment or sport, in which case they are arrivistes and lower class. Some politicians come into this category, but changes in society in the last 50 years have made this a difficult area.

The Middle Classes - these, of course, are the Backbone of the Nation. The wealth makers and decision takers, the managers and the people who make things happen. These are seen as positively wonderful, after all this is the aspirational level of Mail readers (remember that it was described as being written by office boys and for office boys - and where do office boys aspire?).

The working classes. Definitely a split here, in true Victorian style.

Skilled workers, technicals - excellent. The middle classes need people like this to populate their shops and offices and to make their daily lives work smoothly. They pay their taxes (no drain on middle class incomes) and generally don't cause trouble.

Unskilled workers - well, of course, some are necessary. After all, someone has to empty the wheelie bins and fill the potholes in the roads. But they must act according to their station - not make trouble for the middle classes. They pay taxes - but not enough! They should be self-sufficient, because, of course, they could do so much better for themselves if they really put their minds to it.

The poor. Again, two sorts.
The deserving poor - pensioners, middle classes who have fallen on hard times, the victimised. These people need help, and the middle classes are prepared to see them get it, so long as they don't have to pay. Which is why philanthropy is so much better than income tax, because you can choose not to pay it, and pass the burden on to others who are richer than you (see Upper Middle Classes. See them run...)

The undeserving poor - drunks, druggies, the idle, the unintelligent, the sick. Any help given to these people will be grudging, conditional and removed when possible. They really need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps. It's their own fault, so no real help is called for, they could sort themselves out if they tried.

The excluded. Those people who are not part of the polity - foreigners, people of other religions (or none), dissenters, those who disrupt the social system - the cosmic dance.

This is an essentially medieval world view, which carried through into the 20th century, and was seriously challenged only in the 60s (see Why the Mail Hates the Sixties). The world is created, determined, all are put into their place. There is free will (otherwise there would be no aspiration) but it is in the hands of the individual to create their own destiny. It is their fault if they do not do so.

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 Post subject: Re: The Mail Vs Drinking
PostPosted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 10:15 pm 
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I'm underclass. Is it alright if I get pissed?


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 Post subject: Re: The Mail Vs Drinking
PostPosted: Sun Jun 20, 2010 8:07 pm 
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I assume that you are all familiar with the concept of pound shops?
And are also aware that in these pound shops, not everything is £1? That there are things that cost, say, £3.99?

Could somebody please explain this to the Mail?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ottle.html

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 Post subject: Re: The Mail Vs Drinking
PostPosted: Sun Jun 20, 2010 8:15 pm 
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Oh, but pound shops are cheap, therefore patronised exclusively by members of The Underclass, who as we all know love nothing better than to get hammered on cheap booze, therefore they and everything associated with them are A Bad Thing.

I suppose the Mail is less familiar with the fact you can perfectly easily buy a can of strong booze for a quid in most off licenses. Anyway, this is great news as I really want to become an alcoholic but couldn't afford it until now </sarcasm>


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 Post subject: Re: The Mail Vs Drinking
PostPosted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 12:14 am 
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Maybe someone who thinks cheap drink in supermarkets = hell in a handcart can answer me this. How come in Belgium you can buy 11% beer for less than €1 a bottle yet in all my time there I have never seen a gang of pissed young kids on the streets?


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 Post subject: Re: The Mail Vs Drinking
PostPosted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 3:49 pm 
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They're all collapsed in an alley?


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 Post subject: Re: The Mail Vs Drinking
PostPosted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 4:29 pm 
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You haven't been in Brussels on Nuit Blanche then? :) Mind you even then the drunkenness and general atmosphere is nowhere near as mental as it would be if it was taking place in, say, Cardiff. But in Cardiff etc I imagine the whole arts side of it would be extremely peripheral.


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 Post subject: Re: The Mail Vs Drinking
PostPosted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 4:33 pm 
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You haven't been in Brussels on Nuit Blanche then? :) Mind you even then the drunkenness and general atmosphere is nowhere near as mental as it would be if it was taking place in, say, Cardiff. But in Cardiff etc I imagine the whole arts side of it would be extremely peripheral.


the problem with cardiff on a saturday night is the twats who come down from the valleys


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Just randomly mentioned Cardiff so I don't get slagged for being anti-English after I complain that Kingston upon Thames on a Saturday night is like a previously unknown circle of hell.


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 Post subject: Re: The Mail Vs Drinking
PostPosted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 5:35 pm 
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Just randomly mentioned Cardiff so I don't get slagged for being anti-English after I complain that Kingston upon Thames on a Saturday night is like a previously unknown circle of hell.


kingston is like that all day every day.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 5:36 pm 
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Not a patch on Croydon.


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 Post subject: Re: The Mail Vs Drinking
PostPosted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 6:40 pm 
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Just randomly mentioned Cardiff so I don't get slagged for being anti-English after I complain that Kingston upon Thames on a Saturday night is like a previously unknown circle of hell.

That's not anti-English, that's just stark truth.


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 Post subject: Re: The Mail Vs Drinking
PostPosted: Mon Nov 01, 2010 5:49 pm 
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Alcohol 'more dangerous than crack, heroin and Ecstasy'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/artic ... l#comments#ixzz143A9fUwh

Just for once an adult approach to the topic (is Dacre on holiday?).

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A refreshingly balanced report there from the Mail.

Perhaps middle England will sit up and pay attention now. The current drugs laws are based purely on dogma. Take the criminal element out of the drugs trade, introduce tight controls on supply and quality and treat all addicitons as a medical and not a criminal matter. Only then will we see the end of people resorting to crime to pay for their habit, only then will people stop dying needlessly from poor quality drugs, only then can we impose the strictest of punishments for dealing to minors and it will free-up police time and prison spaces for effective control of violent and anti-social crime.

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