NHS bashing

Tom_UK · **Joined:** Tue Oct 27, 2009 3:14 pm **Posts:** 3168

Idiot wrote:

Terrible things happen in A&E, are happening, as we speak and those to whom they are happening may never speak again. Callous, indifferent and ignorant staff and it is typical that they also bully the witness or those trying to have the victim helped. This is the typical face of NHS PCT NICE - pushers and dealers for Big Pharma. No clinical diagnostic intelligence, just scans, drugs, ops and more drugs 'abandon hope all ye who enter' Good Hope, Indeed! At least Jane's family are assured the correct verdict as the case has been printed over a year since the atrocity. How can a conscious human being bear to ignore the screams of another? What are the staff on? What are we paying these clowns for?
- Typsy, Tooting, 23/5/2011 5:02

What a complete brainwashing by tabloid media. Typsy could not be more wrong about NICE, who used to decide on what drugs were and weren't available on the NHS based on proper clinical trials. They did this so that big pharmaceutical companies couldn't push overpriced and unproven drugs on the back of PR campaigns slyly inserted into the tabloids. Now NICE has been stripped of their powers, people will be demanding unproven drugs because of some PR bullshit that they read in the Mail or Express. Thanks Tories.

moonkatt · **Posted:** Tue May 24, 2011 1:59 pm

Idiot wrote:

Terrible things happen in A&E, are happening, as we speak and those to whom they are happening may never speak again. Callous, indifferent and ignorant staff and it is typical that they also bully the witness or those trying to have the victim helped. This is the typical face of NHS PCT NICE - pushers and dealers for Big Pharma. No clinical diagnostic intelligence, just scans, drugs, ops and more drugs 'abandon hope all ye who enter' Good Hope, Indeed! At least Jane's family are assured the correct verdict as the case has been printed over a year since the atrocity. How can a conscious human being bear to ignore the screams of another? What are the staff on? What are we paying these clowns for?
- Typsy, Tooting, 23/5/2011 5:02

The coroner wrote:

(He) found no neglect on Good Hope's part, as the failures did not sufficiently contribute to her death

So, the hospital didn't contribute to her death then? I severly doubt she was ignored for 12 hours, but we won't see the other side of the story becuas eof the bias there is against the health service here. However, if the coroner says he found no neglect, I'm pretty sure someone saw to her needs while she was there then.

Tom_MKUK wrote:

What a complete brainwashing by tabloid media. Typsy could not be more wrong about NICE, who used to decide on what drugs were and weren't available on the NHS based on proper clinical trials. They did this so that big pharmaceutical companies couldn't push overpriced and unproven drugs on the back of PR campaigns slyly inserted into the tabloids. Now NICE has been stripped of their powers, people will be demanding unproven drugs because of some PR bullshit that they read in the Mail or Express. Thanks Tories.

NICE also write clinical guidelines based on good solid evidence but that never gets mentioned, just those nasty pen pushers saying people can't have certain medications. They moan about unfairness from PCT's funding certain areas for medication when other's won't claiming a postcode lottery, do they honestly think this will be better with GP comissioning? If anything there will be more unfairness accross the country.

Arnold · **Posted:** Fri May 27, 2011 5:05 pm

Parents who rushed newborn to hospital with meningitis furious after health bosses send letter blasting them for wasting NHS resources
The letter was issued by mistake and an apology issued. The Mail didn't even think that the story merited a sadface photo.

Bails · **Joined:** Tue Jun 08, 2010 10:16 am **Posts:** 957

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... lated.html

The headline on the absorbent version front page was just "NHS Pension Millionaires".

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I blame the unions !
- Keith, Bournemouth, 31/5/2011 06:49

Yes Keith, the unions are to blame for the SHA Cheif execs' pensions, despite the fact that the people the unions represent aren't quite so fortunate:

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The average NHS worker retires with a pension of just £7,000

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oboogie · **Posted:** Thu Jun 02, 2011 2:07 pm

Not NHS bashing - Lansley bashing for a change.

He's doing an excellent job: Lansley gets 'dreaded vote of confidence' from No. 10

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z1O7hUg6oA

Pro NHS comments in the green:

"Going, going soon to be gone and with it one hopes the privatisation of the NHS. No doubt Cameron and co though will dream up some new scam to line the pockets of their rich private health care providers pockets at the expense of the health service so beware.
- Alan, Birkenhead, 30/5/2011 11:42
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"Time for a reshuffle, me thinks, time for Lansley, Gove, Duncan Smith, Ken Claire and Osborne to go, that's in his power. He hasn't any power over the LibDem members of the Cabinet, if he were to try to then they would pull the rug out from under this terrible government and remind it that the Conservatives did not win the general election, something many of its backbenchers seem to have conveniently forgotten.
- Call me Dave, Handforth, 30/5/2011 11:25
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Whereas a mildly worded message of support for Lansley is the worst rated:

"I dont think he is a bad chap,he just have to listen and get everyone involed people,nurses,unions and cut the pace of change.....
- rex mate, cardiff, 30/5/2011 11:30
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I expect it's all those Doctors and Nurses taking time out from ignoring patients and calculating their gold-plated pensions to spread their Marxist propaganda.

Arnold · **Posted:** Sun Jun 19, 2011 9:38 am

The saga of my little finger shows how badly the NHS needs reform

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When I subsequently complained to the head of my GP practice that perhaps I should have been advised to keep the wound sterile,

Heaven forfend that an educated adult should be expected to know that already.

Chris S · **Joined:** Wed Mar 22, 2006 5:10 pm **Posts:** 998

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I was concerned when a small but growing and painful lump appeared on my little finger. My GP didn't know what the lump was but said that it should be removed and sent for investigation.

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Two weeks later, another journey across London and an hour-and-a-half after I should have been seen, my name was called. Deja vu – the hospital doctor didn't know what the lump was but thought it should be removed and sent for investigation.
'You should get a letter within six weeks giving you a date for your surgery,' she cheerfully informed me.

Not really Deja Vu, the specialist consultant looked at it and booked surgery, before your GP looked at it and asked the consultants more specialist opinion, which was, in this instance, the same as the GPs. But of course it's 'OH NO TWO DOCTORS TOLD ME THE SAME THING, WHAT A WASTE OF TIME'.

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It was a full operating theatre in the plastic surgery department – three nurses and a doctor, all for a small lump on my finger. Eventually the local anaesthetic was administered, the lump removed and the stitches sewn. I was told to keep the dressing on and keep it dry for a week.

So, what, you got too much care?

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'It's in a very difficult place – how do I keep it dry?' I asked the nurse. 'Don't get water on it,' was the reply. Ah, of course. Silly me.

You can't come up with a solution to this? Really? REALLY?

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'So your GP has referred you to have a lump removed – can I see it?' Deja vu. Again. I told him the whole story, including the fact that I had been unable to get a response from the hospital.
'You're not the first person to tell me this,' he said. Apparently there is only one plastic surgery co-ordinator and she had been off sick for three weeks. When she is off sick, no one answers the phone, no one picks up the messages and no one sends letters out to patients for follow-up appointments.

This sounds about right, maybe your lot should stop cutting the NHS so there is adequate cover for us admin drones. We had one of the Neurosurgeons looking for notes when his secretary was on annual leave (an entirely predictable and necessary absence) . He was happy to do it because he's a nice bloke but it's a bad case of affairs.

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Surely if the American GP and the private sector in the UK can get it right, the NHS should be able to as well.
I am a Liberal Democrat, but is this the NHS we are trying to save?

The private sector is paid for according to demand and doesn't have to support facilities for people with life-threatening injuries and illnesses and the US spend a crazy amount of healthcare,how much in insurance/cash did his US visit cost? Maybe if the NHS had a bit mo...oh never mind.

One of the comments sums it up brilliantly, policy by anecdote is a bad idea. It's obviously lower rated than HURF DURF THIRD WORLD HEALTHCARE mongs.

Arnold · **Posted:** Sun Jun 19, 2011 12:18 pm

It could have been worse.

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'It's in a very difficult place – how do I keep it dry?' I asked the nurse. 'Don't piss on it,' was the reply. Ah, of course. Silly me.

moonkatt · **Posted:** Sun Jun 19, 2011 1:00 pm

So he expected a surgeon to start hacking away at his finger without even looking at it because his GP said so? does he think it would have been any different in the states if he was referred for treatment over there?

IanC · **Joined:** Fri Jun 02, 2006 6:30 pm **Posts:** 1404

Hes a fucking Lib Dem? What a cunt.

Arnold · **Posted:** Sun Jun 19, 2011 10:47 pm

moonkatt wrote:

So he expected a surgeon to start hacking away at his finger without even looking at it because his GP said so?

Well that might have given the Mail the chance to run a "Blundering medics amputate healthy finger" story. Complete with LD sadface.

horacegoesskiing · **Posted:** Sun Jun 19, 2011 11:09 pm

Why the surprise at a doctor and three nurses being present? The doctor's going to have to be sterile. One of the nurses may well be sterile too. And you'd need at least one other nurse in there to pass all the equipment around to the sterile people. Hardly a scandal is it?

When they're doing hip screw jobs for fractured hips, there could be about ten people in theatre at different stages- a radiographer, anaesthetist and assistant, surgeon and registrar and maybe one other medical doctor, scrub nurse and two or three circulating non-scrubbed nurses. No doubt the Mail would lambast this as being a horrendous waste of resources and suggest that they get by with half the staff.

Tom_UK · **Joined:** Tue Oct 27, 2009 3:14 pm **Posts:** 3168

horacegoesskiing wrote:

Why the surprise at a doctor and three nurses being present? The doctor's going to have to be sterile. One of the nurses may well be sterile too. And you'd need at least one other nurse in there to pass all the equipment around to the sterile people. Hardly a scandal is it?

When they're doing hip screw jobs for fractured hips, there could be about ten people in theatre at different stages- a radiographer, anaesthetist and assistant, surgeon and registrar and maybe one other medical doctor, scrub nurse and two or three circulating non-scrubbed nurses. No doubt the Mail would lambast this as being a horrendous waste of resources and suggest that they get by with half the staff.

And don't forget that according to the DM they should be using cheap non-sterile screws from B&Q to fix that hip.

Re. Brian Paddick; surprise is expressed that the hospital's consultant didn't just send him off for surgery after a cursory glance at the GP's letter, and actually assessed the patient properly himself from square one. It's not as if this is the kind of thorough approach that could prevent mistakes being made due to blindly assuming that the diagnosis of a GP that he's probably never even met is completely correct is it? This is exactly the kind of approach that could prevent shitty newspapers from writing articles about everybody in the chain making the same mistake, and as such must be bad (sadface).

oboogie · **Posted:** Sun Jun 19, 2011 11:57 pm

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I was concerned when a small but growing and painful lump appeared on my little finger. My GP didn't know what the lump was but said that it should be removed and sent for investigation.

When the results came back it transpired that the malignant lump on the end of his finger was, in fact, the rest of Brian Paddick's body.

oboogie · **Posted:** Tue Jun 28, 2011 10:38 pm

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The NHS is Clement Atlee's millstone around Britain's neck, without it we wouldn't have a pensions crisis or overpopulation. This makes Atlee worse than Blair, Thatcher, Churchill or Gordon Brown - truely a traitor to Britain.
- Lefty Troll, Failed Mailwatch Forum, 28/6/2011 20:02
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