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Nice tips, you two above me. It seems that the good old Maily Telegraph is in a bit of a flap about cannabis too - it was very happy to report The Independent's U-turn after ten years of campaigning to decriminalise the drug.


March was reefer madness for the media as you might have noticed, there were reports like this right through the local and national press.

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Can the medical report (linking cannabis to psychosis) in The Lancet, mentioned in yesterday's Torygraph's article, be trusted? What sort of tests were undertaken to confirm this notion? Have similar methods been used to establish a link between skunk and addiction? I am very cynical about what the right-wing press publish concerning Mary Jane. Why not write reams of articles about cocaine and heroin to scare the sh*t out of us?


The Lancet report is interesting but you really need to be careful about what it is saying, for example solvents score as less harmful than cannabis as you are much less likely to take solvents. The rankings are not for danger on the level of an individual user, but much of the press (even the guardian yesterday) has interpreted it this way.

I'll not comment on it further here, but good places to look are badscience and the Transform Drug Policy Foundation.

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As you might have guessed, I haven't much of a clue about cannabis. It seems to me, however, that all the legal drugs available to us, such as booze and fags, don't really do much to give us what we really want. Some renegade scientists say that the need to get 'high' is not dissimilar to the drive for oxygen, food and sex. Others go further and state that the War on Drugs is a war on consciousness.


A great book to read is Out Of It by Stuart Walton.

With so much nonsense the last few weeks I didn't bother putting it all in this thread, but I have to show you my two favourite stories from March. They are both from local press

The first is from the Liverpool Echo, Police issue warning about super strength Cannabis, which had the following gem:

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SUPER-strength cannabis so potent that just one puff can cause schizophrenia is being grown by Merseyside drug gangs.


But my favourite is from Burnleytoday. You really have to read this to believe it. If you like to smoke, spark one up and enjoy this:

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Puppy's cannabis find in park

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A PUPPY had to be rushed to the vets after eating what is thought to be cannabis during a walk in Towneley Park.

Dog owner Miss Clare Fallows took 11-month-old Dalmatian Bella on the walk on Monday along her usual route near Towneley Golf Course and into the woods. The boisterous puppy played in the grass for around an hour along with Miss Fallow's son, Thomas Fallows-Baker, his friend, Harvey Green, and the family's other dog Toby.

On returning home to Dall Street, Miss Fallows noticed Bella behaving strangely and becoming very ill, vomiting and shaking. Alarmed, she called the emergency vet and rushed Bella to Oakmount Veterinary Centre in Trafalgar Street. The vet told her that the most likely cause of the sickness was the dog eating something in the woods, which could have been cannabis.

After resting for a day, Bella had fully recovered from her ordeal.

Miss Fallows said: "I was a bit shocked, but I was just relieved to be told she would be OK. I was beside myself because I thought I was going to lose her at one point. She was that ill because she was shaking so violently, was being constantly sick and was also having diarrhoea.

"The vet said the symptoms were consistent with an animal that had swallowed something like cannabis, and that Bella could have eaten it while on a walk. She is a lively dog and always sniffs around when I am walking her, so it is hard to keep track of what she is smelling or trying to eat.

"She did eat a bit of grass that evening so if there were drugs, she could have eaten them at the same time. I didn't see anything suspicious, but the vet said it could have been a lump of cannabis or a plant."

She added: "I still take her on walks down there but now I have her in a muzzle so she can smell everything but can't eat anything. I am worried people will think she is a dangerous dog because of that but she isn't at all, she is a gentle and lively puppy. I just don't want to risk this sort of thing happening again."

Miss Fallows contacted the police who visited the woods with a trained sniffer dog but did not find any cannabis plants or anything suspicious.


:lol:

The most shocking column I saw though was in the Independent: Julie Lynn-Evans: Legalise the old stuff but make the new stuff a class A drug. I mean, really. :?


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Thats great :lol:
I can just imagine the conversation between the owner and the vet.
"She did eat a bit of grass"
"Well thats it then, has she become rather partial to chocolate?"


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Lawyer who fell to his death from Tate Modern was driven mad by cannabis

Story completely and utterly divorced from headline.

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Oxford-educated Matthew Courtney, the 27-year-old son of former World Cup referee George Courtney, had been working up to 14 hours a day at a top City law firm in the run-up to his death.

The day before, Mr Courtney had told his psychiatrist that he was worried his long hours were triggering a relapse of manic depression, for which he had been receiving treatment for seven years.


Yet, in the comments, this:
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This unfortunate death should have been publicised more to highlight the dangers of cannabis and undermine the great lie about it being somehow "harmless".

- Dave, Barnsley


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This unfortunate death should have been publicised more to highlight the dangers of our long hours culture and undermine the great lie about it being somehow "beneficial for the economy and family life".

...is sadly yet to appear.


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It's been a while

Mother blames cannabis for suicide of promising violinist daughter

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/a ... ge_id=1770

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She was ill - she had a mental illness. But people are ignorant of mental illness, and they labelled her as a loony. They did and said horrible things."

In one incident drinkers in a local pub put up a newspaper cutting with the headline "Troubled Britney Spears" but wrote Laura's name over it.

The effects of the bullying, coupled with a course of anti-psychotic prescription drugs, left her so depressed that she felt unable even to leave the house.

Her mother added: "Laura was an extremely sensitive girl, and at this point she was vulnerable. I think she just felt there was no future.

"I know she didn't do it to hurt us - she never could. She had just come to the conclusion that the best parts of her life had already been lived."

Laura, who had battled anorexia in the past, could not be resuscitated after she was discovered hanging from her bed last Friday afternoon.




A truly sad story, but you can hardly blame all that on one joint of skunk.

Sounds more like a pushy parent and a child unable to attain what the parents expect.


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Sounds more like a pushy parent and a child unable to attain what the parents expect.


You're right I reckon. The 'violinist daughter' is the clue.

John Miller thinks so too:

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A single joint and she killed herself? Really?

- John Miller, London


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Cannabis-smoking satanist admits stabbing priest to death in an act of 'inhuman savagery'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/a ... ge_id=1770

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David Aubrey, defending, said that the killing arose because of Evans' "deluded beliefs about religion, himself and the destruction of the world".
Mr Aubrey said: "He believed he was Jesus, God and the anti-Christ, and believed he would save the world from nuclear armegeddon.
"The killing was to bring to the wider public what his beliefs were.
"He was suffering from severe mental illness, delusional, paranoid beliefs, directed towards the activities of the church.
"He genuinely beleieved an impending nuclear war would bring about the end of the world and he was the only one who could stop it."
The court heard Evans was also obsessed with numerology and was convinced the sixth of the sixth and seventh of the seventh were significant.
Mr Aubrey said that Evans had been a regular cannabis user and while it was regarded as a soft drug, it could have severe effect on people with underlying mental illness.


So not a proven cause then.


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The story you have highlighted is a strange one indeed, Paul, and I have not bothered to read all that The Fail have scribbled about it. Your edited works were enough to convince me that it's a little odd and says nothing substantial concerning the link betwixt cannabis and mental ill health. Whatever the case, Fail readers don't seem too perturbed; only two people have left comments so far. Perhaps the middle-market newspaper cannabis emergency has abated for a short while.


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Wait a minute. He smoked cannabis but believed he was Jesus, God AND the anti-christ. So here we have not a case of someone whacked out on doobies, but a person who seems to be suffering from schizophrenia perhaps??

Sure it COULD have an effect on people who are already prone to mental illness, but it's rather irresponsible to blame it on teh weed right? Although I'm not totally surprised by the Fail's jumping to conclusions....


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Is this another wonderful example of care in the community? Poor, poor man, and his poor, traumatised family. Lock him up somewhere secure and throw away the key.

- Ali, Basingstoke, Hants

"that poor poor man" "[sarcasm] care in the community? ha!".
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"lock him up and let him rot".

Or to put it another way "We should look after those who need help. Unless they do something because we didn't, in which case shut them away and forget about them".


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It really pisses me off when people jump to conclusions like that with mental illness and drug addiction. It's happened in the past with schizophrenia sufferers who are otherwise stable but have stopped taking their meds and harmed someone. Tabloids froth at the mouth at these "maniacs" getting shorter sentences and eventually being released, without taking the mental condition into consideration... Same with heroin addicts. They shouldn't be locked up forever and ever and ever, they need help!



Gawd it makes me angry :evil:


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The rise of the suburban high: Gangs are setting up cannabis farms in prosperous neighbourhoods
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Cannabis farming began in London about six years ago, sometimes in factory units but most often in houses bought or rented for that purpose.


Winifred Robinson repeatedly talks about "declassification" when we all know cannabis remains a classified substance, illegal to possess. The Mail complained that reclassification would confuse people in to thinking it had been made legal, but here they are still muddying the water three years later.


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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/a ... ge_id=1770

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Cannabis 'is making teenagers impotent', say doctors


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Growing numbers of teenage boys are being treated for impotence after smoking cannabis for several years.

Doctors have reported a large rise in cases of young men seeking advice to combat potential lifelong impotence.


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Professor Sheena Lewis, one of the UK's leading experts on male reproduction, said: "I don't know of anyone who has done research on impotence and cannabis. It's about time someone did."


So a story on some doctors treating more young men for impotance is turned into an anti weed article.


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Hahahaha.

Still, a good thing for Mail readers. Those who smoke cannabis = inherently bad = more likely to produce children young = more benefits = impotence is great!


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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=562448&in_page_id=1770

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Cannabis 'is making teenagers impotent', say doctors


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Growing numbers of teenage boys are being treated for impotence after smoking cannabis for several years.

Doctors have reported a large rise in cases of young men seeking advice to combat potential lifelong impotence.


Yet further on there is this bit:

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Professor Sheena Lewis, one of the UK's leading experts on male reproduction, said: "I don't know of anyone who has done research on impotence and cannabis. It's about time someone did."


So a story on some doctors treating more young men for impotance is turned into an anti weed article.


They do realise smoking regular fags has been linked to impotence too? Thats much more likely the cause, the fact you're smoking, not the weed.


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I do think weed has dangers, esp. some of the strong strains avalible pretty easily now but the DM is far from interested in any solid scientific evidence to show weeds negative as well as positive effects on peoples bodys and minds, its much easier to create what is in reality a string on non stories demonising the weed and its users.

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They do realise smoking regular fags has been linked to impotence too? Thats much more likely the cause, the fact you're smoking, not the weed.


Hasen't a high alchol consumption also been linked to a decrease in male sex hormones? (atleast among men). Or an increase in female ones. But then I suppose these people are out drinking tons as well....

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Still, a good thing for Mail readers. Those who smoke cannabis = inherently bad = more likely to produce children young = more benefits = impotence is great!


I see you've already looked at the comments.


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