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 Post subject: Re: The Nature of Journalism and Journalists
PostPosted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 1:15 pm 
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Rather than the reverse, you mean, which is more commonly the case?


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Indeed. That quote's been stuck in my head a lot over the last week or so.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 1:21 pm 
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Exactly. Should be the motto of the judicial enquiry.


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 Post subject: Re: The Nature of Journalism and Journalists
PostPosted: Sat Jul 16, 2011 10:02 am 
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Alistair Campbell gives a couple of examples of how journalism works.
In one case the paper dishes it out but won't take it back, and in the other a pariah is rehabilitated due to the supine laxity of the media.

http://www.alastaircampbell.org/blog/2011/07/16/a-couple-of-examples-of-journalistic-dishonesty-one-trivial-one-serious/


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An excellent piece by Roy Greenslade here


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 Post subject: Re: The Nature of Journalism and Journalists
PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 7:01 am 
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Like most of us, I'm impressed with Ezinra's critique of the Polly Fillers of the Mail Online - young, freelance and working largely from the internet, with few cultural references in common with dead-tree Mail readers. I think that her analysis may help to explain this sort of thing.

Perhaps we are wrong to simply ascribe 'Daily Mail Reporter' stories to either hacks too ashamed to put their name to a particular piece of drivel or stuff that is simply made up by hacks in the pub (though there is anecdotal evidence for both of those). Perhaps DMR is usually a low-paid freelancer knocking out a quick filler for a few quid.


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 Post subject: Re: The Nature of Journalism and Journalists
PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 9:11 am 
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Gosh, all these kind words! :oops: :oops:

So journalism = plagiarism + wikipedia + taking out the bits in French.

Since journalism training is, first and foremost, about learning to rewrite copy, we must conclude that this particular Daily Mail Reporter either has no training, or was seriously overworked. It's not like a famous columnist just got into trouble for plagiarism or anything.

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Perhaps DMR is usually a low-paid freelancer knocking out a quick filler for a few quid.

At best. As I've mentioned before, the Mail, like all the big media organisations, has a lot of young people in on work experience. Summer is the peak time, as a new wave of ambitious, debt-ridden graduates leaves university. I remember how much competition there was just to get work experience on a national title — and it was 15 years ago that I tried, when there were fewer journalism degree courses and more paid jobs available to the offspring of the posh.

This young woman's story seems typical, for those young people whose surname is not Dacre or Littlejohn:

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Emily Farley, 24, has undertaken six internships at magazines since leaving university with a first-class degree in her bid to break into journalism - and has lined up two more.

All have been unpaid and only a handful have made a contribution towards her £400-a-month travel expenses into London from High Wycombe in Buckinghamshire. Although Emily has supported herself by working between each placement, she has grown increasingly frustrated that work experience is the only route to proper work.

"It seems as though internships have replaced entry-level jobs," she says. "It's all about being in the right place at the right time.

"My family have been very supportive, but sometimes they say, 'do you feel you're getting any closer?' This just seems to be how it works nowadays."

Needless to say, if you don't live in the south east of England, and don't have a "supportive" family, you have no chance. The days when the national print media recruited skilled, proven journalists from the regional press are long gone: it's far cheaper to hire eager 23-year-olds on freelance contracts, make them work 16-hour days, and let them go if they can't keep up.

The regional press itself increasingly relies on work experience, especially when the staff get bolshie. For proprietors in a shrinking market, the attractions of malleable, unpaid, non-unionised labour are irresistible.


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 Post subject: Re: The Nature of Journalism and Journalists
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To which I can only add, thank God the NUJ are on the ball these days.


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Just heard Melissa Kite on R4 Any Questions parroting the line "Hitler was left-wing because his party was called the National Socialist Workers Party". Would I be correct in presuming that therefore she also accepted the former East Germany as a democracy because it was called the German Democratic Republic.
:roll: :roll:

(Melissa Kite is the Deputy Political Editor of The Sunday Telegraph and writes a weekly column for The Spectator.)

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 Post subject: Re: The Nature of Journalism and Journalists
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That would be Adolf the Socialist who abolished free trade unions a nd workers' rights, would it?


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Presumably North Korea is also a democratic republic by that logic?


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 Post subject: Re: The Nature of Journalism and Journalists
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....and threw Trade Union organisers into concentration camps along with all the various Marxist groups and cosied up to the industrialist bourgeoisie.

Bloody yogurt-knitting, sandal-eater.

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oboogie wrote:
....and threw Trade Union organisers into concentration camps along with all the various Marxist groups and cosied up to the industrialist bourgeoisie.

Bloody yogurt-knitting, sandal-eater.


I heard he preferred carpet to sandals (vegetarian carpet, naturally).


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 Post subject: Re: The Nature of Journalism and Journalists
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Bones McCoy wrote:
oboogie wrote:
....and threw Trade Union organisers into concentration camps along with all the various Marxist groups and cosied up to the industrialist bourgeoisie.

Bloody yogurt-knitting, sandal-eater.


I heard he preferred carpet to sandals (vegetarian carpet, naturally).


Actually the vegetarian bit is a myth, a bit of wartime propaganda, "Chap's a freak who doesn't eat meat - no wonder he turned out to be a wrongun".

Plenty of blood on Hitler's carpet -metaphorically at least.

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 Post subject: Re: The Nature of Journalism and Journalists
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Not heard her say it, but how do you get to work for the ST and think something as stupid as that?

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