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PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 9:41 pm 
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If a man was convicted of wife-beating, would his Wandsworth Council tenant wife be evicted from her home?


A good use of the reductio.


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In a similar vein, I wondered whether the sequestrations would extend to "otherwise law abiding" losing their child benefit and tax credits.


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Once the principal of family responsibility for individual wrongdoing is accepted - and it seems that it now is - there are all sorts of options. This is a time when Godwin's Law should not apply.

Of course, all Wandsworth is doing is playing to the gallery, showing their 'credentials' and surfing the epetition zeitgeist. The idea will presumably be knocked back by housing, social services etc.


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Malcolm Armsteen wrote:
Once the principal of family responsibility for individual wrongdoing is accepted - and it seems that it now is - there are all sorts of options. This is a time when Godwin's Law should not apply.


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Of course, all Wandsworth is doing is playing to the gallery, showing their 'credentials' and surfing the epetition zeitgeist. The idea will presumably be knocked back by housing, social services etc.


Housing and social services can then be criticised as wishy washy liberals.
Columnists will issue demands for nothing less than their heads on pikes.
If we're unlucky some pub landlord tribute act will go down the offices and lamp one of the staff.
Then we'll be back to "It's not my fault if nutters act out my fantasies, I'm being persecuted".


On the bright side, if we can get international acceptance, then we could have Margaret and Carol standing trial to atone for Son and Heir Mark's Mercenary Escapades on the Dark Continent.


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Just thinking of the metropolitan police's role in all of this....

Did the top cop just resign after taking payments? Didn't other cops take payments?

From NI.....



Fine example to our young.....

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They also "misled" the press on Duggan.....

Which was basically lied to fit a narrative like they lied about the Stockwell Shooting which if I remember was another case of "misleading the press", you'd think they'd stopped misleading the press. You also note the press have stopped using that picture in which Duggan has his hand shaped like a gun regardless of what Duggan was or was not he didn't shoot, they, has Darcus Howe put it "blew his head off", it also appears that the gun he was carrying was now not actually on Duggan but close to the scene.

Whatever next the gun didn't exist?

Of course Duggan was a gun carrying, drug dealing gangster and that whether it is true or not (which it seems increasingly not) is the lie that will stick in the head of many an idiot.


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I blame Craig David and Paul Scholes.... Why? Because that is about as consistent as any other excuse I have seen.....

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Starkey didn't do himself any favours on Newsnight. He joined the select band of authors whose books I wouldn't ever entertain the idea of buying or reading some time ago. That's right David, you're on a blacklist. Enjoy your martyrdom, you disgusting little man.

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They also "misled" the press on Duggan.....

They would have had to withhold the fact that a bullet had hit a police radio. How likely was it that in a planned armed police stop that one officer was in the line of fire of another? I doubt that anyone even considered the possibility before the forensic result.

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I thought it was pretty appalling but then Toby Young put me right.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/tobyyoung/100100845/was-david-starkey-being-racist-on-newsnight-last-night/

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He actually said "Listen to David Lammy, an archetypal successful black man. If you turn the screen off so that you are listening to him on radio you would think he was white."?

What a cunt.......


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There's been no trouble for a few nights but I just feel that this whole thing is just on pause. There's no sense of finality to it. The race riots of the 80s and even the poll tax riots had an air of "we've made our point" to them. Not this time. No further trouble may happen for a while but at some point in the future there will be a flashpoint somewhere again and it'll start up and spread and be far, far worse than last Monday in London and Tuesday in Manchester. But of course you're not allowed to examine or look at it in any way other than calling it "mindless violence" and conveying your view in anything other than a "shoot em all" type rant unless you want to be shouted down or ridiculed for being liberal excuse makers who are somehow a cause of the problem.


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They should have put this chap on quesiton time, there would have been exploding heads all around in that audience:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14514429


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There's been no trouble for a few nights but I just feel that this whole thing is just on pause. There's no sense of finality to it. The race riots of the 80s and even the poll tax riots had an air of "we've made our point" to them. Not this time. No further trouble may happen for a while but at some point in the future there will be a flashpoint somewhere again and it'll start up and spread and be far, far worse than last Monday in London and Tuesday in Manchester. But of course you're not allowed to examine or look at it in any way other than calling it "mindless violence" and conveying your view in anything other than a "shoot em all" type rant unless you want to be shouted down or ridiculed for being liberal excuse makers who are somehow a cause of the problem.


Problem is it's out of the hands of responsible organisations now. You'd think twice about organising a city centre protest against cuts now, wouldn't you? The only blessing I can see is that with Parlaiment on hols (I take it most of 'em have returned to whatever they were doing before the recall?) a lot of knee-jerkery is going to be reflected upon before lawmaking gets into full swing again. I'm particularly concerned about the demonising of council tennants unsubtly thrown in as an aside when Cameron taks about eviction - they get their houses at subsidised rates, you know. Well here's the thing, Dave, I've got no intention of ever owning property or shares, and I don't think I'm the only one. What are you planning for us? Some sort of compulsorary mortgage?

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