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 Post subject: Re: The NHS
PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2011 9:50 pm 
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Is it possible for MPs/lords to party hop? If so, can they do it mid-term, or would they have to leave around election time and relist as an indipendant/agent for another party? There are LDs I have a lot of time for, and would hate to see swept into the annals of political history along with the rest of the LDs.


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 Post subject: Re: The NHS
PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2011 9:59 pm 
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MPs are free to switch party allegiance whenever they like. Since most were elected as official candidates of their party with its sponsorship, however, it's not normally a good move, especially if you want to get re-elected.

There are certain high profile exceptions where a safe seat is found for theMp crossing the floor. See Shaun Woodward, for example.

I'm afraid your "decent" LD MPs are going down the same plughole as the rest. They've made their own beds, now they can fucking lie in them.

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 Post subject: Re: The NHS
PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2011 10:03 pm 
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I'm with Abers on that. They all had their chance to establish proper liberal credentials, and with a few exceptions failed to do so.


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 Post subject: Re: The NHS
PostPosted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 2:16 am 
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So few of them have chosen even to abstain which is stated in the agreement.

Why after living under 4 Lib Dem councils did I think they would be any better nationally I'm not sure. I do have a lot of time for the Lib Dem in St Ives in Andrew George but sadly I could never vote for anyone with a yellow rossette again and that includes my boss.


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 Post subject: Re: The NHS
PostPosted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 11:50 pm 
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So few of them have chosen even to abstain which is stated in the agreement.

Why after living under 4 Lib Dem councils did I think they would be any better nationally I'm not sure. I do have a lot of time for the Lib Dem in St Ives in Andrew George but sadly I could never vote for anyone with a yellow rossette again and that includes my boss.


I could never vote for anyone with the sort of appalling judgement that would employ me.


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 Post subject: Re: The NHS
PostPosted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 12:02 am 
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In that case I believe it was a sound judgement, mind you it was a joint decision of 4 people


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 Post subject: Re: The NHS
PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2011 8:34 pm 
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wanna do something

http://www.38degrees.org.uk/page/s/Prot ... n#petition

sign this

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 Post subject: Re: The NHS
PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2011 8:35 am 
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Went to a meeting in Newcastle last night regarding this. All in all it's entirely depressing, and I feel that I'm witnessing the death of the NHS. Unless lords rips the heart out of this issue when it's on the floor, I don't think we'll ever get the NHS the way it's meant to be. On the plus side I did hear that, as this wasn't a manifesto policy, lords has a lot more power here and can affect it much more than they could an ordinary bill.

If any of you have the time, please consider adopting a lord and writing to them: http://action.38degrees.org.uk/assign/contact-a-lord or, for a full directory
http://www.parliament.uk/mps-lords-and-offices/lords/

The labour lords are all more-or-less on-side anyway, a lib dem or cross-bencher would be a wise target for your time.


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 Post subject: Re: The NHS
PostPosted: Sat Oct 22, 2011 7:57 am 
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I was away so couldn't make it to the meeting (I know Pete who was organising it) but I wrote A Thing that will hopefully get people to understand why the Health and Social Care Bill is a big deal. Feel free to copy and paste all over:

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Hello Facebook. On Wednesday 12 October the Health and Social Care Bill received its second reading in the House of Lords and passed to the committee stage without any amendments. If you’re a normal person and not some kind of politics nerd you’re probably asking “Why is this a big deal?” In my opinion it’s a huge deal because in its current form the Health and Social Care Bill will fundamentally alter how the NHS works, largely by stripping away the “National” part of it.

The full text of the bill is here: http://www.publications.parliament.uk/p ... 2_en_1.htm Like all bills it’s incredibly lengthy and wordy, so I’m going to try and summarise the main thrust of it because there seems to be very little understanding about what this bill means and what the potential outcomes of it are.

The central change in the bill is that spending will be put in the hands of local health authorities instead of a national body. On paper this is in the name of choice - each LHA will have the autonomy to decide what its budget will be spent on. However this will inevitably lead to inequality between LHAs - remember how the NHS used to be criticised for being a “postcode lottery”? This bill will pass the postcode lottery into law, and the Royal College of Surgeons have already warned that LHAs keen to cut costs may stop offering expensive operations such as hip replacements and hernia surgery on the NHS.

So who decides how your LHA spends its budget? Unless they’re willing to set up from scratch all the admin required to coordinate NHS treatments and private payments, this work will be farmed out to a group set up by an existing health insurance company - most likely from the US as they have the most experience in this area. Do you really want an American health insurance company deciding whether your gran has to pay for her hip replacement?

LHAs will also be competing with one another, under the assumption that competition will lead to better services. What we’re more likely to see is hospitals prioritising private patients requiring simple operations over those with difficult-to-treat conditions - and in extreme cases, trying to pass unprofitable patients off to another LHA.

Last year a separate piece of legislation saw the relaxing of the monitoring of the 18-week rule, the maximum time that you should wait between referral and treatment (recent figures have shown a 48% rise in those waiting more than 18 weeks since this change). Combine this with your LHA’s new requirement to stay profitable and you’re far less likely to receive treatment within 18 weeks if you’re receiving it on the NHS.

In essence, the Health and Social Care Bill paves the way for a two-tier health system, where to receive treatment quickly (or at all) you’ll need to pay. If you can’t afford private health insurance or to travel to a competing LHA, you might be stuck waiting a long time before treatment.

This bill isn’t yet law - it has to go through the committee stage in the House of Lords followed by a final reading, after which the Lords and Commons will pass the bill back and forth as they settle on the final wording. But so far opposition to it has been limited and barring a massive change of heart from one of the parties it’s likely we’ll see the bill become law sometime in 2012.

If you want to change that, make yourself heard - http://www.theyworkforyou.com has details for your local MP, and http://www.writetothem.com lets you email MPs and Lords for free. Remember that in the general election no-one campaigned saying that they’d neuter the NHS and let health insurance companies dictate how we receive treatment - remind them of that.

The NHS is not a perfect system and I’m not ideologically opposed to changes. But this bill weakens it and is the first step towards a fully private system like the US, where car crash victims refuse to go to hospital because they can’t afford the medical bills. I don’t want that in my country, and I’m sure most of you don’t either. Thanks for reading and feel free to share this.


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 Post subject: Re: The NHS
PostPosted: Sat Oct 22, 2011 6:51 pm 
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I know Pete too! How curious.

Copypasted that to fb, thanks it's really good.
I've written to a lord and asked (nay, bothered) others to do the same.


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 Post subject: Re: The NHS
PostPosted: Sun Oct 23, 2011 8:23 am 
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I only know him through mutual friends so we probably haven't met. If we have it was likely at a party in which case I apologise because I was probably drunk and loud.


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 Post subject: Re: The NHS
PostPosted: Sun Nov 13, 2011 6:07 pm 
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healt ... world.html

But, of course, we need to privitise it to make it better.


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 Post subject: Re: The NHS
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Andrew Lansley has defended a welcome message played on a continuous loop in English hospitals in which he tells patients their care "really matters to me".


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-15833704


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 Post subject: Re: The NHS
PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 4:37 pm 
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toiletbrush wrote:
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Andrew Lansley has defended a welcome message played on a continuous loop in English hospitals in which he tells patients their care "really matters to me".


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-15833704

Christ. Length of stay will be down at least.

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 Post subject: Re: The NHS
PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 5:01 pm 
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