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 Post subject: Re: Melanie Philips
PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 2:04 am 
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Ahhh ... my confusion was their appears to be two separate groups...

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Res Publica is a community of public sector professionals dedicated to promoting good governance, civic virtue and deliberative democracy.


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ResPublica is an independent, non-partisan UK think tank founded by Phillip Blond in November 2009. In July 2011, the ResPublica Trust was established as a not-for-profit entity which oversees all of ResPublica's domestic work. We focus on developing practical solutions to enduring socio-economic and cultural problems of our time, such as poverty, asset inequality, family and social breakdown, and environmental degradation.


However, thanks for the link. There's a new term for a oik like me!!! :D

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 Post subject: Re: Melanie Philips
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Should have been in my Year 7 gifted and talented group doing Roman Government...


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 Post subject: Re: Melanie Philips
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Would have loved to. :)

My dad was a stickler for physics and maths though. :(

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 Post subject: Re: Melanie Philips
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 Post subject: Re: Melanie Philips
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I tried a line like that I think, with my dad, or something similar....

I think he told me that chemistry was too frivolous a use of my time.

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 Post subject: Re: Melanie Philips
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I like his style.


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 Post subject: Re: Melanie Philips
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Childhood memories of feeling you are being ganged up on because chemistry is such a silly subject for a lad with good physics and maths grades.

Head of year, careers adviser and my dad all sitting making fun of my daft ideas about what I want to do with my life.

The good old days.... :P

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 Post subject: Re: Melanie Philips
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Big Rob wrote:
I tried a line like that I think, with my dad, or something similar....

I think he told me that chemistry was too frivolous a use of my time.

A physics teacher once solemnly intoned that chemistry was just one small room in the mansion of physics, or words to that effect.

He looked like Harry Secombe would have if he'd been a bloated, bitter alcoholic. :)


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http://xkcd.com/435/


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 Post subject: Re: Melanie Philips
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http://xkcd.com/435/


Yebbut... maths is just philosophy for people with asperger's.


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 Post subject: Re: Melanie Philips
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I think respublica can be one word in Latin, with both parts declining.

So which is it? Are we moral relativists who think all values are the same, or do we think non-British ones are always better?


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For if we really want to stop Britain’s terrifying drift into brutalisation, where a widow is robbed of her husband’s ashes and the young become strangers to remorse or reason — not to mention the summer’s riots and the economic crash — we surely have to accept that the moral vacuum into which we are staring is one that Britain’s bedrock faith must once again fill.


I take it crime's going down if we're relying on anecdotes.

And has she just pinned the economic crash on the young there?

Crashes of course being unknown when the C of E was more assertive:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Sea_Company

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panic_of_1890


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 Post subject: Re: Melanie Philips
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Tubby Isaacs wrote:
I think respublica can be one word in Latin, with both parts declining.


That makes it two words, surely? The opposite term, res privata is never rendered as a single word. To my limited knowledge.


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Today Melanie will be mostly warmongering:

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And anyway, what have we been doing maintaining diplomatic ties with Iran in the first place? Why on earth did we not cut them years ago?

Diplomatic ties with Iran exist at the lowest official level. They have been cut and then restored several times since the Islamic revolution. Britain has been part of a club called the Four Plus Two which has tried to maintain a dialogue with Iran over such issues as its nuclear programme. Phillips is wrong to paint the regime as monolithic: powerful elements, notably around the former presidents Rafsanjani and Khatami, are eager to end the country's isolation, and they have widespread popular backing.

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After all, Iran declared war upon the west in 1979 when the Islamic regime came to power.

No it didn't. Iran has never declared war on another nation (the Iran-Iraq war was started by Saddam Hussein). Its foreign policy has often been belligerent, but never against the whole of "the west". For instance, in the 1990s it invited French, Italian and Russian oil companies to help develop its oilfields. In 1998, the EU brokered an agreement between Iran and the Taleban, which averted an armed conflict.

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Since then, there has been virtually no serious terrorist attack against the west which hasn’t had Iran’s fingerprints on it (as I have written before, I have long suspected its involvement in 9/11 too).

Remarkable: Phillips is quoting nobody but herself as proof of her fantastical opinion. What constitutes a terrorist attack "against the west" anyway? It's self-evident that an attack against "the west" will have come from "the east". It's a totally useless category — and the point she uses it to make is not even true. The 7/7 bombings were carried out by Brits. The Madrid bombing had bugger all to do with Iran. Neither did the US embassy bombings, or the Beslan school hostage crisis. Et cetera.

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Britain itself suffered the Iranian embassy siege of 1980 and Ayatollah Khomeini's fatwa against the life of Salman Rushdie, which drove that writer into hiding for years.Yet successive British governments, along with the US and the Europeans, have behaved throughout as if merely a few rogue actors were responsible for all these attacks, and relations with Iran sailed on pretty well without any serious or permanent interruption.

Well, how permanent is permanent? The Rushdie fatwah was issued in 1989 by Ayatollah Khomeini; Britain withdrew its ambassador the same year. That situation lasted for ten years. It wasn't until 1999 that Britain once again sent an ambassador to Tehran; by that time, Iran had a new supreme leader and a new president, and had withdrawn the fatwah against Rushdie.

I'm not saying Iran is a nice country, and its leaders certainly make daily pronouncements that are aggressively anti-semitic. But some right-wing pro-Israeli commentators want to see Iran's hand behind every group that opposes or resists the government of Israel.


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 Post subject: Re: Melanie Philips
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Since then, there has been virtually no serious terrorist attack against the west which hasn’t had Iran’s fingerprints on it


errm... Pretty sure Anders Breivik had nothing to do with Iran

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