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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs Art
PostPosted: Sun Oct 23, 2011 12:33 pm 
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I was about to post that. Apparently the audience thought that "Marat/Sade" was an Agatha Christie whodunnit or something.

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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs Art
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Exactly.

I like the way the article makes great play of the fact that one of the actors "has starred in family-friendly shows such as Minder, Lovejoy and Midsomer Murders."


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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs Art
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The Mail seems to have misjudged its readership again.
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What do you expect if you go to see something called Marat/Sade? Ann Widdecombe in panto?

- Paul Danon, London, England, 23/10/2011 11:34
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It's pretty difficult to do the Marat/Sade without explicit references to sex and sadism, so why did these people go and see it in the first place???

- Helene, France, 23/10/2011 12:30
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"Kate Dee, 25, from Worcester said: 'It was utter filth and depravity."... What did she expect? There's a clue in the title"Marat/Sade" And such things as theatre reviews.

- Alfred, UK, 23/10/2011 12:29
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Let's get this right. Audience go to see a play about a sadist and are then horrified by what they see. Typical middle class twits.

- Simon, Somerset, 23/10/2011 12:23
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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs Art
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The Mail seems to have misjudged its readership again.
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What do you expect if you go to see something called Marat/Sade? Ann Widdecombe in panto?

- Paul Danon, London, England, 23/10/2011 11:34
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It's pretty difficult to do the Marat/Sade without explicit references to sex and sadism, so why did these people go and see it in the first place???

- Helene, France, 23/10/2011 12:30
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"Kate Dee, 25, from Worcester said: 'It was utter filth and depravity."... What did she expect? There's a clue in the title"Marat/Sade" And such things as theatre reviews.

- Alfred, UK, 23/10/2011 12:29
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Let's get this right. Audience go to see a play about a sadist and are then horrified by what they see. Typical middle class twits.

- Simon, Somerset, 23/10/2011 12:23
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sadly not...

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Just wait till some artistic type shows graphic paedophilia as entertainment. We the public will rightly hate it but the artistic world and critics will be falling over themselves praising it and justifying it as Art, darling! - Arkley Barnet......................................... U R absolutely CORRECT my friend- these advocates of " allowing the artist freedom of expression" make me want to vomit! I actually HATE the idea of censorship but I also HATE the idea that any sick pervert can get away with virtually anything as long as they masqurade it as being " ART" !! I am also amazed at some of the actors agree to take part - some pretty sick people around.

- scabycat, Birkenhead, 23/10/2011 16:05
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censorship is always BAD except for things I don't LIKE.

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What always iritates me on occasions like this ( and they come along every so often) is the cliche ridden formulaic defences that are made by those responsible . The only word we missed here was 'challenging'; but still " Insanity, individuality, sexuality, abuse of power, freedom versus control.." blimey, the whole gamut. But I bet the Islam reference didn't put that faith in anything but a persecuted-victim perspective.

- stephen, oxford, 23/10/2011 15:44
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ah, a classic mail can't-winism, "why is it always references to christians, what about the muslims!? oh...there are referenes to mulims? well...i bet they're nice references!"

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Once again standards are going to the dogs! People go to the theatre to get away from this sort of things on television! Where do we go now!

- HardworkingMum, Warwick Warwicksire, 23/10/2011 15:26
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to plays that aren't about the marquis de sade?

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Reporting that 200 walked out is pointless unless you say how many stayed. A totally biased and misleading report. - Phil, Sussex, 23/10/2011 13:05.....................How do you know that the Theatre that night didn't have an audience of 201. The one, being a pervert who loved that sort of thing.......not reffering to anyone in particular, cough cough.

- Dave, Hastings Uk, 23/10/2011 14:33
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because unlike you dave, phil actually read the article, so knows the 200 in the headline is just reader bait which actually referes to the walkouts from the entire run, and not one night. so he's right, without knowing how many stayed, how many have walked out out of other productions of the same play, or even how many leave most plays at the interval, the 200 figure is pretty meaningless.

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Sliding into the swamp, when the lovies lied that Lady Chatterley was a masterpiece and it's author was a gifted individual, when it really an is an awful book with a swear word. It was stated then, in the 1960s that the shock of one word would fade, and more and more depravity would be needed to shock, still sliding toward the slime, creating a depraved morally dead society. Look around you, it is everywhere.

- Jack, Westmorland, 23/10/2011 16:07
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hello mr hitchens.

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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs Art
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Who could mistake this rubbish bin for art? It must be the Turner Prize judges as winner is announced

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z1fkKNMYmo

From the headline, I thought Bitty must have won for a moment.

Whatever you think of the winner though, at least it's got the Mailites spluttering into their cornflakes.


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Unbelievable, this odd piece of art? won and talented Coventry born artist George Shaw didn't, but then again previous winner Tracey Emin's unmade bed says it all.

- Kal, West Midlands, 06/12/2011 13:15
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the "all" it says in this case being "kal doesn't read articles properly". unmade bed was nominated, it didn't win.
although that begs the question of why the mail bothers mentioning it in the article at all, unless it's just a lazy way to make their readers ang...ooooh.

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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs Art
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Interesting that Kal thinks you vote for an artist because they are local, not because they are good.

I like the winner. Reminds me of Bitty, a full wastebin leaning to the right.


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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs Art
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I love the idea that "swearing on TV" is to blame for social problems.

No social problems in America then.


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Con art: No, it's not your fault you can't see the genius in Damien Hirst's work - there is none


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z1qnXTkT3I

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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs Art
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Malcolm Armsteen wrote:
Interesting that Kal thinks you vote for an artist because they are local, not because they are good.

I like the winner. Reminds me of Bitty, a full wastebin leaning to the right.


This appears to be quite a common assumption when the Scottish papers report reality talent shows.


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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs Art
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Con art: No, it's not your fault you can't see the genius in Damien Hirst's work - there is none


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z1qnXTkT3I


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Stupid bastards have probably never clapped eyes on them. No, no 'probably' about it... definitely! :evil:

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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs Art
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Hallelujah! Finally, someone who is brave enough to say out loud what we've all been secretly thinking. Thank you, sir, thank you.

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yes, because never before has one brave individual spoken up and dirided all modern art (without mentioning an artist who's been established for less than 2 decades) before...for this to make sense, i'm assuming the time difference is aus is a tad bigger than i thought and they've actually just entered 1912.

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I think Hirst is shit, but I don't feel particularly brave for saying so!

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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs Art
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i wonder how my contribution will do?

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Curiously, this man doesn't make mention of a single artist who's less than 20 years esatblished, or acknowledge the work of anyone of the many contemporary (and yes, successful) artists still working in "traditional" styles and media, which i'm sure must be an error, otherwise he'd just be dragging out a several decades old tired argument to ride the coat tales of the current Tate show in the hope he might sell a few copies of his book. But obviously that would be the same lazy recycliing and cynical opportunism he's accusing these artists of, so that SURELY can't be the case eh?

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The pickled animals are wonderful.

Why take prices of art seriously? All they need to rocket is a couple of rich people prepared to bid against each other.


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