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 Post subject: Francophobia
PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 11:24 am 
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Sacré bleu! The Mail's interest in France is essentially about sex. Whether raising a wry eyebrow or more explicitly critical, the Mail's angle is: the Frenchies do it differently from us and, in the end, our way is better.

Stephen Glover is the latest Mail columnist to give his opinion of the DSK affair. He portrays it as quintessentially French, taking care to mark the differences:

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A word should be said about his (third) wife, Anne Sinclair, who is even richer than him. If she were English she would long ago have cut off his suit sleeves, if not something much more important to him. As a French woman she tolerates his serial and sometimes brutal infidelities because that is what French women of her class and background are usually supposed to do.

Lady Archer was unavailable for comment, apparently. And from what I've read, Strauss-Kahn and Sinclair had agreed to a kind of open marriage. Sinclair is a feminist, famous for taking a principled stance (she refused to interview Jean-Marie Le Pen because of offensive comments he made about the holocaust). Isn't it patronising to assume she is being a doormat here? And if that's typical of French women "of her class and background" (I don't know what this means: Sinclair was born in the US to rich Jewish parents who'd fled the Nazis), how come Cécilia Sarkozy divorced her husband? Why are the best-known women in French politics — Ségolène Royal and Marine Le Pen — both divorcees?
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Here we come to the nub of the argument. The supposedly sophisticated French elite regards Anglo-Saxon attitudes to sex as repressed and judgmental, and our newspapers in particular as prurient. The French believe themselves to be liberated, and far more advanced.

But isn’t it the French who are in fact more primitive, indulging and even encouraging chauvinist monsters such as Dominique Strauss-Kahn, who treats women as though they were chattels, to be consumed, despoiled and discarded?

So here we have Glover, who defended the sexist banter of football pundit Andy Gray on the basis that "He was not addressing the vicar’s wife", writing in the not-at-all-prurient Daily Mail, which regularly questions the testimony of women who say they have been raped, attacking a whole nation on the basis that it's not feminist enough. Hmm.

It turns out that the main point of the article is to warn against the "accommodating and compliant" French media. To which I refer you to this article, penned by one Stephen Glover: 'The BBC has conspired with The Guardian to heat up an old story and attack Murdoch'. Where would this country be without the freedom to stick a lens up a woman's skirt and print stories about unfaithful footballers, eh?


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 Post subject: Re: Francophobia
PostPosted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 9:02 pm 
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Excellent post.

I don't trust them, mind. Look at the way they want to break off Kent and join it with the Pas De Calais.

http://www.fivechinesecrackers.com/2011 ... ow-to.html


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 Post subject: Re: Francophobia
PostPosted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 9:47 pm 
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That's only fair. You had Calais for 200 years, back in the day. And now it's one massive Wine & Beer Warehouse where, to much tut-tutting from the French media, you can pay for your boxes of plonk and lorries full of Stella Artois (and Moldovan fugitives) in livres sterling! Oh là là!!

To be honest, I'm not sure I'd recommend Kent to the French either. The more I think about it, the more I like the idea of twinning Kent & le 62 and spinning them off together. Or giving them to Belgium.


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 Post subject: Re: Francophobia
PostPosted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 11:12 pm 
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But they already own a chunk of Newhaven.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/sussex/8650475.stm

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 Post subject: Re: Francophobia
PostPosted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 11:18 pm 
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The town council has applied to East Sussex County Council to reclassify the beach as a village green.


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 Post subject: Re: Francophobia
PostPosted: Fri Dec 16, 2011 3:11 pm 
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Zut alors! French snatch our tiny Bronte treasure: Manuscript is going to Paris after museum in UK is outbid

Sacré Bleu must be on holiday.

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The French have had, and still do have, so little regard for Britain or anything British .... I can't imagine why they want it! Oh, yes .... spite .............. again, because of their inability to completely dominate.

- scinic, uk, 16/12/2011 6:57 Rating 8
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Yes we can give billions of aid to people to squander on weapons and private jets but can't save our heritage , this is a national disgrace.

- oh yes,it's true, blackpool,lancs, 16/12/2011 8:34 Rating 27

Repeat the lie often enough…

How many people were planning to visit the Bronte house and have now changed their mind because they will see only four, rather than five, of these (six) books? How many Mailites have read the Brontes outside of GCSE?

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Anything to do with our history should stay in this Country not go to auction. Blimey there we are bailout out the EU and they have money to spend to buy what should be ours.

- wind , in the willows, 16/12/2011 11:15 Rating 13

Because nothing in, say, the British museum has been taken from abroad.


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 Post subject: Re: Francophobia
PostPosted: Fri Dec 16, 2011 3:14 pm 
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Yeah. 'Cos we give billions in aid to the French.

Who had probably heard of the Brontës before the auction...


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 Post subject: Re: Francophobia
PostPosted: Sat Dec 17, 2011 1:21 pm 
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I wonder just how many of those objecting actually contributed to the Haworth collection fund?


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 Post subject: Re: Francophobia
PostPosted: Sat Dec 17, 2011 1:38 pm 
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Or would agree all historical artefacts of other nations/peoples, in possession of a British institution, should be returned?

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 Post subject: Re: Francophobia
PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 4:26 pm 
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A review of another of those dreadful Frenchies-do-it-better lifestyle manuals written by smug Americans desperate to prove how cosmopolitan they are:

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What is it about the French that makes us believe they do everything better? The Norman Conquest is as nothing to the fashionable belief that their Baccalaureate exam is preferable to our A-levels or that French women don’t get fat and are better at parenting.

You’d never think that, since 1991, increasing thousands of French people emigrate to Britain every year because their economy is failing, their cultural influence waning and they can’t bear its racism, repression and recidivist ideas.

Probably not worth mentioning the increasing tens of increasing thousands who migrate in the opposite direction, is it? I'm not quite sure what "repression" she's referring to: I'm just in shock that she passed up the opportunity to complain about strikes.

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So, should we relocate to France when pregnant? No. There is just one problem for those yearning to raise perfect French kids who don’t throw food or tantrums: they grow up into French adults.

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 Post subject: Re: Francophobia
PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 4:52 pm 
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I thought the Normans were of Viking stock. Mind you, I used to spend my time in history lessons watching the girls outside playing hockey/netball depending on the season.


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 Post subject: Re: Francophobia
PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 5:02 pm 
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Indeed. Hrolf the Ganger became Rollo the Norman.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normans

My favourite quote is from Sir Frank Stenton's volume of the Oxford History of England, p687:

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The Normans who entered into the English inheritance were a harsh and violent race. They were closest of all western peoples to the barbarian strain in the continental order. They had produced little in art or learning, and nothing in literature, that could be set beside the work of Englishmen. But politically, they were the masters of their world.


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 Post subject: Re: Francophobia
PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 5:11 pm 
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And who could blame him? Hrolf is a bit onomatopoeic and when said is usually combined with partially digested kebab and a bad pint.


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 Post subject: Re: Francophobia
PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 5:19 pm 
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I was about to post this in You Know What I Like, but it seems appropriate here.

I'm currently reading "1000 Years of Annoying the French" by Stephen Clarke (author of the excellent "A Year In The Merde").
Don't be fooled by the title into thinking it's a Mailite Francophobic rant. It is so far (I'm only a quarter of the way through) an exploration of the many myths and propaganda England and France have propagated about each other and I recommend it as an illuminating, and frequently hilarious, read.

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 Post subject: Re: Francophobia
PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 5:57 pm 
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I read it a few years back (thus establishing my Francophile credentials) and to be honest I thought the first book was better.

Have you found the works of the rather unreliable George East?

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Home-Dry-Norman ... 353&sr=8-2

Author of the wonderfully titled "Home & Dry in Normandy: A Memoir Of Eternal Optimism In Rural France" "Home and Dry in France: Or a Year in Purgatory (Mill of the Flea)" and "Rene and Me (Mill of the Flea)"


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