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 Post subject: I don't feel Brown-y
PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 8:05 pm 
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This is going to sound weird but I kind of expected when power was handed over that the world would seem a different place somehow. I don't exactly how, just a feeling like 'ooh, someone else runs the country now' - y'know era coming to an end and all that.

But I don't feel different at all. I feel just the same as yesterday.

Is it just me or was anyone else expecting something slightly more climatic?


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I saw some country going to the dogs but aside from that!


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I think the Who said it well in Won't get fooled again.
"Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss".


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 Post subject: Re: I don't feel Brown-y
PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 9:31 pm 
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Adrian wrote:
Is it just me or was anyone else expecting something slightly more climatic?


Possibly Sarah.


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I must say, I know exactly what you mean. I vaguely remember the 1996 elections, but it seems like Tony Blair has always been Prime Minister, I can't imagine having someone else.


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This has been pretty uneventful in the Fail's comments too. A few digs at him being appointed Middle East bloke, and the usual bout of "good riddance" types, but otherwise pretty boring.
Maybe the press just can't be arsed.

In related stuff, I just found this comment on Sky's website
On the 13th May, Dan wrote:

Quite a few pointless and mislead posts here...

Tony Blair was elected to office and has successfully brought forward most of the Labour manifesto which was, afterall, voted in by the great, all knowing and 20/20 hindsight equipped British public. Key legislation is consistently voted against by the Conservative party, who say one thing but vote another (check out the latest, Home Office division. Wasn't Davis 100% behind it under Tory proposal?).

Tony Blair HAD to have been a brilliant Prime Minister, to be re-elected 3 times in multiple-record breaking circumstances and under the fiercest scrutiny of the worlds most liberal media.

Just time is a killer for public figures, always has been, always will be. No-one reads Parliamentary reports, or are aware of the countless debates and legislation being proposed by the Government day-in, day-out, devised by this country's best and brightest advisors and civil servants. No, we're happy to sit and read our selected topics from our papers with their own hidden political agendas, who's reporters and columnists earn more than the PM himself, and then think we're flawlessly educated on the matter and know better.

It's a shame to see such a statesman leave, but everything has its time.
I don't agree with everything Labour has or has not done, but I'm not supposed to, that's the very nature of politics.
Blair has been a great Prime Minister, and a respected prominent figure in the wider-world, I hope the latter he'll continue to be.


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I am getting really annoyed by the amount of call for demanding of a general election. John Major didn't have an election for an another 2 years, when Maggie step down.

Under the British constitution, the PM is the leader of the party with the most seats in the Commons, he doesn't need to call an election for the next 4 years.

PS: I am not a Labour or a Brownite, just someone who (tries to) understand the routine


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I think the Who said it well in Won't get fooled again.
"Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss".


I saw them on Sunday night at Glastonbury and they played Won't Get Fooled Again, and I remember thinking that line was suddenly very apt again.

jack


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I am getting really annoyed by the amount of call for demanding of a general election. John Major didn't have an election for an another 2 years, when Maggie step down.

Under the British constitution, the PM is the leader of the party with the most seats in the Commons, he doesn't need to call an election for the next 4 years.

PS: I am not a Labour or a Brownite, just someone who (tries to) understand the routine


I'm also annoyed, it's not like he wouldn't win anyhow, all the fringe voters would return if they felt mr Cameron was to win.

As for The Who on Sunday, You'd think Pete Townsend would avoid talk of the Internet, nevermind actually claiming they foresaw it in one of there songs.


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eurobloke2 wrote:
I am getting really annoyed by the amount of call for demanding of a general election. John Major didn't have an election for an another 2 years, when Maggie step down.

Under the British constitution, the PM is the leader of the party with the most seats in the Commons, he doesn't need to call an election for the next 4 years.

PS: I am not a Labour or a Brownite, just someone who (tries to) understand the routine


Yeah. Why the fuck didn't Churchill call an election when he was first made PM?

The problem with most people in democratic societies is that they want democracy when it suits them but not when it doesn't. The classic example is the death penalty. I'm willing to bet that a majority of people in this country would want a referendum on whether the death penalty should be restored. However, ask them about specific circumstances, whether people with mental problems should be executed, or maybe whether abused children who kill their abusers should be hanged and you're more likely to get the answer that the politicians should work out the details because the individual voter just simply can't be arsed.

This is why we have representative democracy. We elect a representative that kind of reflects our views, and they go off and sort out the details: Including electing the Prime Minister. Anything else is a recipe for rule by the mob.


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Killer Whale wrote:
The problem with most people in democratic societies is that they want democracy when it suits them but not when it doesn't. The classic example is the death penalty. I'm willing to bet that a majority of people in this country would want a referendum on whether the death penalty should be restored. However, ask them about specific circumstances, whether people with mental problems should be executed, or maybe whether abused children who kill their abusers should be hanged and you're more likely to get the answer that the politicians should work out the details because the individual voter just simply can't be arsed.

This is why we have representative democracy. We elect a representative that kind of reflects our views, and they go off and sort out the details: Including electing the Prime Minister. Anything else is a recipe for rule by the mob.

Was worth repeating :)

I bet you won't see such an intelligent and accurate article in the Fail.


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jonboy wrote:
I think the Who said it well in Won't get fooled again.
"Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss".


I saw them on Sunday night at Glastonbury and they played Won't Get Fooled Again, and I remember thinking that line was suddenly very apt again.

jack


You really, really should have been watching Radio Luxembourg on the Introducing stage.


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i think it was a bit of an anti-climax but there's more stuff today which is more interesting like the new cabinet etc


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From the Fail's poll bit:

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Will you miss Tony Blair?
Yes 30%
No 70%

So not everyone who reads the Fail's website hangs on it's every word - there is hope yet.

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Should Gordon Brown call an immediate General Election?
Yes 81%
No 19%

Oh, well the optimism was good while it lasted.

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What should Brown make his priority?
Immigration 58%
Law and order 15%
War on terror 3%
Education 7%
Health 10%
Economy 7%

Wait, what?
People whine about the budget and related, and MRSA and related, but think that a few Poles that don't really affect them are much more of a concern?
People confuse me.

Mind, if that's the mood (of Fail readers) it'd be best if Gordon didn't call an election, or the BNP might gain some ground.


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What should Brown make his priority?
Immigration 58%
Law and order 15%
War on terror 3%
Education 7%
Health 10%
Economy 7%

Wait, what?
People whine about the budget and related, and MRSA and related, but think that a few Poles that don't really affect them are much more of a concern?
People confuse me.

Mind, if that's the mood (of Fail readers) it'd be best if Gordon didn't call an election, or the BNP might gain some ground.[/quote]

I guess maybe in their view, worrying about immigration also covers piffly petty issues like health and law, since as we all know, diseases and crime are only spread and carried out by Johnny Foreigner.


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