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 Post subject: Re: Glenn Beck and the Tea Party allstars
PostPosted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 10:06 am 
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I think he gets plaudits from a lot of liberals because he at least attempts to be consistent. Unlike the likes of the other shithead hypocritical sacks of shit who are involved in the Grand Old Party mularkey....


Ron Paul's anti-war rhetoric is seductive to a lot of disillusioned Democrats, but his ideology - that government is the problem, that it can never be applied to positive ends - is pernicious, dogmatic and wrong. He gets plaudits for being outspoken, but he can afford to be since his crankier ideas (e.g. getting rid of the Federal Reserve) are never going to make headway with the US political system the way it is. Even if all his rival contestants for the GOP nomination were to be struck by lightning and he somehow fluked a win over Obama in the GE, he'd still struggle to get anything past what would almost certainly be a hostile Congress. In fact, he'd probably get less done than Obama has managed.

But then, I find libertarianism in general to be completely ludicrous. It's a very middle-class affectation and I've certainly never met a working-class libertarian (although tbf I've not met many libertarians, they seem to exist mostly on the internet). The impression I get is that most libertarians like the idea of a world without government because they're sufficiently well-off not to be affected, and their own privilege would be perpetuated. Bob Black had it right in The Libertarian as Conservative when he said that libertarians generally don't oppose the core activities of the state, they just want to see them hived off to the private sector - which for me, really exposes their pro-liberty posturing as a sham.

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To my mind a right-wing anarchist is just a minarchist who’d abolish the state to his own satisfaction by calling it something else. But this incestuous family squabble is no affair of mine. Both camps call for partial or complete privatization of state functions but neither questions the functions themselves. They don’t denounce what the state does, they just object to who’s doing it. This is why the people most victimized by the state display the least interest in libertarianism.


What's also interesting is they can't seem to reach any sort of consensus on abortion - so they're apparently all for 'liberty', but when someone does something they don't like, some libertarians (including Paul) still want to clamp down on them as much as any other social conservative.

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 Post subject: Re: Glenn Beck and the Tea Party allstars
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But then, I find libertarianism in general to be completely ludicrous. It's a very middle-class affectation


That is so true. A bit like anarchism.


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 Post subject: Re: Glenn Beck and the Tea Party allstars
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But then, I find libertarianism in general to be completely ludicrous. It's a very middle-class affectation and I've certainly never met a working-class libertarian (although tbf I've not met many libertarians, they seem to exist mostly on the internet). The impression I get is that most libertarians like the idea of a world without government because they're sufficiently well-off not to be affected, and their own privilege would be perpetuated. Bob Black had it right in The Libertarian as Conservative when he said that libertarians generally don't oppose the core activities of the state, they just want to see them hived off to the private sector - which for me, really exposes their pro-liberty posturing as a sham.


The problem there is people are irresponsible and selfish. I am a libertarian, however I am not daft enough to be an absolutist like Paul, as long as people are irresponsible and selfish that is.

As long as there are people like Grover Norquist..

There is nothing ludicrous in the concept of libertarianism. For me it is humans that are ludicrous.

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Komen Foundation bows to social media firestorm, reverses Planned Parenthood funding cut

So the fundies idea that this was their country exclusively has been shot out of the water. This news actually brightened my day. So I will be mature about it and while acknowledging there is an ongoing debate I would just like to say....

Hahahahahahahaha....

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Court: Calif. gay-marriage ban unconstitutional

The fundies are getting it in the knackers this week....

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Santorum's been making gains again. :(

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 Post subject: Re: Glenn Beck and the Tea Party allstars
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Good. He's getting an increasing share of a minority caucus. I'd rather Santorum faced Obama than Romney.

If Santorum were to get the nomination then the fundies that back him will find out just how abhored their position is amongst the majority of Americans, flyover states excepted.


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 Post subject: Re: Glenn Beck and the Tea Party allstars
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My father in law is from Missouri. He says that there is no way most southern states will go for a mormon (probably true for other backwards states like Minnesota).

The one positive about having Santorum, is that it would destroy the notion that repugs don't want government interfering in their lives.

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 Post subject: Re: Glenn Beck and the Tea Party allstars
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 Post subject: Re: Glenn Beck and the Tea Party allstars
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My father in law is from Missouri. He says that there is no way most southern states will go for a mormon (probably true for other backwards states like Minnesota).

Minnesota's not as backwards as you might think. In the past it's elected Hubert Humphrey, Walter Mondale and 'Senator Welfare' Paul Wellstone, probably the most left-wing US senator of the post-Reagan era. Its heritage is scandinavian and the folks share some of their fiscally conservative, socially liberal worldview. It also likes a maverick, which is how it ended up being governed by a wrestler.

Minnesota republicans are a different matter, but even then, there's a divide between the Tim Pawlenty middle-classes-for-tax-breaks crowd and the puritan Michelle Bachmann lot.


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 Post subject: Re: Glenn Beck and the Tea Party allstars
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Minnesota's not as backwards as you might think. In the past it's elected Hubert Humphrey, Walter Mondale and 'Senator Welfare'


Well there are decent people in every state, even Texas although I am not sure about Wyoming (just kidding), however the coastal states are more progressive (especially the people's republic of Massachussets).

Minnesota, like all Midwestern states, has its fair share of whackjobs.....

Minnesota anti-gay marriage amendment headed to full Senate for vote

Anti-abortion rights bills advance in Minnesota Legislature

Bachmann's husband has his anti gay Clinic there....

Anywhere you drive into the sticks around here it is not long before the threat of hell and anti abortion signs start popping up.

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 Post subject: Re: Glenn Beck and the Tea Party allstars
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Apparently, contraception is not an issue that's about women or healthcare. The GOP says so.

If Dorries wasn't quite so obsessed with saving this country's soul, I expect that she'd have emigrated by now.

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Forgive me the double post, but it seems that Oklahoma's excelled itself.

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 Post subject: Re: Glenn Beck and the Tea Party allstars
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Santorum is now becoming bothersome. He is topping the polls in Michigan, which I admit is a shock.

I actually agree with him in a lot of his views of the economy. He blames Bush for the current economic mess and not Obama and he wants to restore manufacturing.

All fine and dandy, except on social conservative issues he's a piece of shit....

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