It does in Saudi.... shithole..... Arabia....

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The more they rally the sooner they vanish up their own arseholes. Anything that entices people out from their well rehearsed public personas is to be welcomed. They haven't got a case to make so the sooner they pushed into making it the better.

Those records wouldn't be very plausible anyway. Just this week we had Mormons converting Simon Wiesenthal's dead parents to Mormonism. That's Simon Wiesenthal the Jewish Nazi hunter.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/fe ... sfeed=true

They have converted hundreds of thousands of dead people, without anyone knowing or seeking consent from anyone living. Some reports claim the figure is in the millions. All very odd when you consider that they claim that only 144,000 souls will be saved. Still... it's a religion, no real need to make even a scrap of sense, is there?

Then you have the doctrine of taqqiyah in Shi'a Islam. Essentially, enshrined permission to lie, trick and mislead infidels in the service of the greater good. They could tell you any figure you like for conversions, pull it right out of thin air, and nobody would have done anything wrong. Sanctioned lying.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taqiyya

Judaism is perhaps a better bet - some branches explicitly reject conversion, although others take anyone they can find.

And as someone noted recently, Catholics try to get you as soon as you're born or as you're taking your last breath. Not exactly giving people a fair chance to defend themselves.

I was responding to Silkyman's post which was in relation to Christianity and the UK. There are records, how accurate they are I'm not sure but there's not a significant number of Mormons in this country, for example.

That was me I believe.

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Perhaps not but most of them seem to find me. I spot them a mile off, clean-cut in white shirts and black trousers/skirts. They earnestly approach, murmur to each other and then home right in on me. Apparently, my "Just fuck off" mind transmissions don't work on them. I give them a 'No thanks' and keep going.

Some evenings I get approached by some evangelical Christians and all of them know to not bother. They come close, think better of it and leaflet the person behind me. Wonder why they're attuned to bad vibes when Mormons are not?

I suspect it might be cultural - as most Mormon missionaries are from overseas. Do you know that they have to pay to go on those missions? They pay thousands of pounds each to go abroad, live in a crappy dormitory and sleep in bunkbeds, traipse around all day and get told to bugger off by thousands of strangers.

The MP for Macclesfield (one of a few towns who claim the 'most pubs per capita' crown) is a teetotal Mormon.

And the Mayor of Middlesbrough (one of the few towns where it is best to be drunk all the time) is a total Moron.

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I recall Rich Hall's piece on the trials of getting a drink in Utah. That told me everything about Mormonism I needed to know.

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Sick Left-wing Zealot.

I'm sure it would be (perhaps the Dawkins foundation could commission another poll)

Which is a shame because I'd imagine that far more people have been indoctrinated into it all as kids, grown up and thought 'hang on... this is all shit isn't it' than have decided as a 35 year old that the sky fairy concept is a good'un.

THe 'is britain a christian country' discussion was on some programme this morning with Dawkins and a couple of supporters up against some religious lot. They didn't get much past 'well it is, because people in england are nice and all nice people have to be christians' bullshit, and purposefully failed to grasp the point of the Dawkins Foundation poll.

Point: if the majority of people who call themselves 'christian' on the census really only do it because they think they should, and because they haven't really thought enbough about it to put anything else, is it right that the more fundamentalist element - a real minority - can use that data to claim a majority?

counter argument: you're just an intolerant atheist fundamentalist

Even that's getting back to a very narrow view of what Christianity involves. As narrow as the popular (among Mailites) view that Islam is little more than chanting, protest, bloodshed and beards.

For the average Briton, Christianity is an agglomeraton of what they remember from school, the Vicar of Dibley, Four Weddings and a Funeral, the latest Eastenders wedding or funeral, bob-a-job week and a petting zoo. Ladle on a hearty dose of Christmas nostalgia and bullshit, a sprinkling of Carols from Kings and the "Don't worry, everything's alright" film from The Day Today and you've pretty much got it.

Real religion gets divided into two categories - the scary and the silly. Buddhism and Judaism are both Silly. Islam is Scary, but used to be Silly. Paganism used to be Scary, but is more Silly these days. Christianity can be either - happy clappy gospel choirs are Silly, while mad Americans (note the distance multiplier there - it's a dose of 'those kerrazy Yanks' mixed with 'it couldn't happen here') are Scary.

Religion - the nice fluffy Songs of Praise style - isn't about anything as much as it's about reassurance - just like local news, weather forecasts, and all the rest of it - that everything's alright really.

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Oops sorry I misread your post oboogie...

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Mormonism is classed, by baptists at least, as a fourth abrahamic religion rather than being christian.

http://www.christianpost.com/news/mormo ... ion-29848/

Romney does not stand a chance in the deep south....

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Revealed: How atheist Richard Dawkins' family fortune came from the slave trade




http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions ... ry_1.shtml

Yeah.... like it was a load of non christians who started the Atlantic slave trade....

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