To be fair though, why shouldn't someone call for equality in domestic abuse situations?Is anyone arguing the opposite?
Well you claimed that the person who said this:
Now all we need is a recognition that real men get domestically abused too and we'll be getting on the first rung of equality for male abuse victims everywhere.
Was a member of a
sad clique of men's rights' activists
Which was what irked me a bit.
I'm also not happy about not giving men accused of rape anonymity - at least until the case goes to trial!
The objections to this are outlined here
. To change the law, you must make the case that a rape charge is more damaging to a defendant than one for murder, paedophilia, stalking, or any other violent crime or sex crime. You also have to reject evidence that the special treatment of rapists and the (further) silencing of rape as a crime would discourage victims from reporting it.
I'd say that an accusation of rape is no more damaging than an accusation of paedophillia (another where anonymity of the defendant could be looked at. Another accusation that can be unfounded and wrecks lives regardless of guilt) etc, but there is a difference.
Of the others, the actual act itself is illegal. Assault, murder, sex with minors etc are all illegal and if you are found to have done any of them, you have broken the law. With rape, when you boil it down to the basics, you have one person who has had sex with another one. The legality comes from consent.
Two adults having consentual sex is legal. Only the two people involved can ever know. Because it is down to one word against another.
I don't mean the violent, stalking someone down a dark alley and attacking them incidents here. There will be lots of other evidence etc for that and the suspect will usually be unknown to the victim. The main reason people get away with these is because no one knows who the assailant was.
But the horribly named 'date rape' is where the issue lies. These are the crimes that go unpunished because it is so incredibly difficult to prove - either way.
A rape accusation is a nice tool for revenge for some (very small percentage) women and these women make it do much harder for genuine rape victims to get justice.
The second half of that sentence doesn't follow from the first. Retracted allegations of rape are no more frequent than they are of other crimes — but nobody suggests that phoney accusations make it harder for victims of theft or hate speech crimes to get justice.
People don't avoid reporting theft because they think 'no one will believe them'. If no one made these things up, no one would accuse people of making them up.
People who think false accusation of rape is as bad as rape are arseholes. But saying 'people who use false allegations cause problems, but false allegations don't' is an argument on a par with 'guns don't kill people.. people kill people'
If there were no false allegations, no one would disbelieve the genuine victims.
Men lie about rape all the time. They say they didn’t do it. Their friend didn’t do it. But the burden is still placed upon women to not only eradicate rape, but to make sure rape culture has no male collateral damage.
Collateral damage is all well and good, unless you're the guy who can't show his face in his home town anymore after being splashed over the front page of the paper for something he didn't do. Hey. There's no smoke without fire. He must have done something - or it wouldn't have been in the paper. Look, there he is. Let's beat the shit out of him.
The way to prevent false accusations is to put an end to rape culture. As the comments in the Mail demonstrate, we have far to go: plenty of people still don't recognise rape as a serious crime; many more accept it as an essential, if regrettable, offshoot of 'real' masculinity.
We're back to arseholes again. There's a long way to go with some people. But not the vast majority. But 'ending rape culture' (what exactly is 'rape culture' by the way?) won't do anything to stop a woman thinking 'I with I hadn't shagged that guy, he was a dick and buggered off first thing in the morning.. I'll claim he raped me, that'll teach the bastard' - which is exactly what happened to my mate at University.
There's no doubt whatsoever that the conviction rate for rape is horrifically low and there ha to be something that can be done to improve things (if the conviction rate was significantly higher, opportunists might be made to think twice) but allowing every and any accusation to become public immediately has it's own problems.