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Messianic Trees · **Joined:** Fri Mar 18, 2011 10:50 pm **Posts:** 2896

I escaped the Nazis - so spare me these sneers about tyranny

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/artic ... z1ot4sSUeC

Tubby Isaacs · **Posted:** Mon Mar 12, 2012 5:49 pm

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The human rights brigade, and all other anti-libertarian outfits such as the EU
- Ted Nuffield, Tonbridge, 12/3/2012 14:47

The human rights brigade being libertarian. The Libertarian Alliance bloke when I interviewed him thought the Human Rights Act was surprisingly good.

cycloon · **Joined:** Sun Jun 10, 2007 4:07 pm **Posts:** 3299

Messianic Trees wrote:

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I am getting sick and tired with the left wing politically correct meddling in other countries constantly at the expense of this country. I am also tired of the BBC's brainwashing on everything islamic or Arabic; the biased station is fast turning into an Islamic extremist sympathiser. This Eton/Oxbridge/cambridge mindset of 'save the world' socialism and largesse is starting to cause real damage to the very social fabric of this nation. We have Islamic extremism growing fast in this country but because of the politically correct fascists who silence any debate on the issue we, the normal people, are suffering. Please, please we need a radical revolution in this country to overthrow what is a complacent, arrogant and self interested political system that seems to favour every cause but the British one.
- Alex-John, Scotland, 7/3/2012 13:15 129

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This is a quite spectacularly confused post. Bravo!

Messianic Trees · **Joined:** Fri Mar 18, 2011 10:50 pm **Posts:** 2896

On the I escaped the Nazis story:

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The author of this very good article, would I am sure, if he was asked, also tell us the difference between Joseph Stalin and Gordon Brown, the difference between War criminals like Eichmann and Hitler as opposed to Tony Blair. He might also say that traitors like Quisling, Lord Haw Haw carried out a very different kind of treason than that, this newspaper so casually accuses Labour, Liberals and David Cameron of. He might also say that a putting a 50% tax on incomes over £150K is not quite the same as the way The Nazi's confiscated Jewish property before murdering it's owners and their children. I am sure the author could also enlighten us on the difference between investigating criminal activity by newspaper reporters and closing down every newspaper and sending all the reporters to a concentration camp. He might also say that though he might not approve of Bob Crow, he is not another Jimmy Hoffa nor does Unison operates like those union officials in "On The Waterfront".
- Jim New, Lewisham, 12/3/2012 11:31 36

Tubby Isaacs · **Posted:** Mon Mar 12, 2012 10:30 pm

Jim New, Lewisham is good.

Messianic Trees · **Joined:** Fri Mar 18, 2011 10:50 pm **Posts:** 2896

He is indeed.

Gay marriage is the front line in a bloody culture war

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/artic ... z1p16nFfDW

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Make no mistake: the row over proposals to make gay marriage law is the frontline in a bloody culture war. On the one side, you have a strident and self-confident liberal lobby supported, ironically, by the confused Conservatives. Opposing them is the great silent majority supported by real conservatives, such as certain members of the Christian clergy.

Abernathy · **Posted:** Tue Mar 13, 2012 6:09 pm

Odd, that tendency to assume that "the great silent majority" is on your side.

When in fact the fact that they're silent is more likely to indicate indifference.

ezinra · **Posted:** Tue Mar 13, 2012 6:27 pm

I got as far as:

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the greatest pope of the modern era, Benedict XVI

and then died of laughter.

Tubby Isaacs · **Posted:** Tue Mar 13, 2012 6:32 pm

Give that man a blog on the Telegraph.

Bones McCoy · **Joined:** Mon Aug 16, 2010 9:08 am **Posts:** 7417

ezinra wrote:

I got as far as:

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the greatest pope of the modern era, Benedict XVI

and then died of laughter.

Go on then, list the 5 best, go on, go on go on.

(I get as far as JohnPaul II)

Tubby Isaacs · **Posted:** Wed Mar 14, 2012 12:45 am

The one that "Hey! Luciani" by The Fall is about.

Big Rob · **Posted:** Wed Mar 14, 2012 12:51 am

Modern right wing 'politics' = Lies, fear and distortion.

Same as the old right wing 'politics'.....

ezinra · **Posted:** Wed Mar 14, 2012 10:32 am

Bones McCoy wrote:

Go on then, list the 5 best, go on, go on go on.

You asked! The most recent five:

1 John XXIII: Set up Vatican II. Helped Jews in WW2. Allowed vernacular masses. Charismatic.

2 Paul VI: Patched things up with other christian sects. Supported labour unions and workplace rights. Made it easier for priests to leave the church, and got rid of some pomp (both changes reversed by Benedict XVI). A bit dull.

2a Jean Paul I: Barely had time to put his slippers on before snuffing it.

3 JP2: Reached out to Jews and Muslims. Opened spaces for young christians to talk about young people's stuff. Big carbon footprint. Halted socially progressive reforms of predecessors.

4 Pius XII: Useful idiot to the Nazis.

5 Benny XVI: Narrow-minded reactionary. Zero charisma. Yuck.

Bones McCoy · **Joined:** Mon Aug 16, 2010 9:08 am **Posts:** 7417

ezinra wrote:

Bones McCoy wrote:

Go on then, list the 5 best, go on, go on go on.

You asked! The most recent five:

1 John XXIII: Set up Vatican II. Helped Jews in WW2. Allowed vernacular masses. Charismatic.

2 Paul VI: Patched things up with other christian sects. Supported labour unions and workplace rights. Made it easier for priests to leave the church, and got rid of some pomp (both changes reversed by Benedict XVI). A bit dull.

2a Jean Paul I: Barely had time to put his slippers on before snuffing it.

3 JP2: Reached out to Jews and Muslims. Opened spaces for young christians to talk about young people's stuff. Big carbon footprint. Halted socially progressive reforms of predecessors.

4 Pius XII: Useful idiot to the Nazis.

5 Benny XVI: Narrow-minded reactionary. Zero charisma. Yuck.

So a bit of relative progressiveness from a third of them.
Where progressive is:: Not being a nazi, or starting to unwind centuries of reaction.

Messianic Trees · **Joined:** Fri Mar 18, 2011 10:50 pm **Posts:** 2896

Cameron, Churchill, Race... and a historical howler

Read more at: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/artic ... owler.html

Unusually for the Mail, this article is quite critical of Churchill. Unsurprisingly, the few Mailites who have left comments so far seem to like Churchill all the better for being a white supremacist:

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Come back Winston, all is forgiven
- peter, girona, 14/3/2012 18:45

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Bravo Churchill! Incidentally, Niall Ferguson gets on my nerves: forever denigrating the West - the West that has created everything
- Patriot, Sunderland UK, 14/3/2012 19:37

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