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 Post subject: Re: Workfare
PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 1:34 pm 
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Yes, I think that's what I got threatened with.

It's complete and utter f**king bullshit. All it does is fiddle the numbers. What the f**k do I get for this mandatory work? Do I get paid? If so, fine, I'll do it. But if not? The hell do they think they're doing? The potential of a job prospect is not payment, it does not constitute a fair and appropriate recompense for the worker giving up their time for this company.

Gods, I don't know what to frigging do about this.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 1:44 am 
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Our lovable Prime Minister on cracking form in Parliament:

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John McDonnell (Hayes and Harlington) (Lab): The Information Commissioner has confirmed that some of the information used by the Consulting Association to blacklist trade unionists could only have come from the police or the Security Service. When 3,000 people, mostly celebrities, had their telephones hacked, the Government set up an inquiry under Leveson. When 3,200 trade unionists have been blacklisted, and many have lost their livelihoods, the Home Secretary simply suggests that they go to the Independent Police Complaints Commission. Why is there one route to justice for celebrities, and another for working people?

The Prime Minister: There is one law that has to cover everybody in this land, and if there is any accusation of wrongdoing, that is something that the police, who are completely independent of the Government, can investigate. That is what should happen. I say that on the hon. Gentleman’s behalf, but he could do something on everyone else’s behalf. He runs the Right to Work campaign, which is stopping young people getting work experience places. If he cares about opportunities for young people, he will give up that left-wing organisation.


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 Post subject: Re: Workfare
PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 10:23 am 
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Yeah, Mr Cameron, because *your* government isn't taking a baseball bat to the economy's knees, is it? *Your* government isn't trying to make me work for free, is it?

Go swivel, you shiny faced cu- tosser.

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 Post subject: Re: Workfare
PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 4:24 pm 
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Cameron's ducking and diving at PMQs is infuriating. Blair was slippery but Cameron wouldn't know what a direct answer was if one slapped him in the face.

This post about the DWP's latest snooping plans is worth reading, by the way:

http://johnnyvoid.wordpress.com/2012/03 ... ing-plans/

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The Universal Credit system will contain an unprecedented amount of information on all aspects of our lives, much of which will be controlled by private companies. In a chilling development it appears that the database will use ‘voice biometrics’ as part of it’s security protocols.

The new system, which is due to be launched in 2013, will dwarf the plans for a National Identity Register which was dropped by Labour after storms of protest. With the advent of smart phone and hand held readers this new system could easily become an effective, electronic National Identity Card.

Universal Credit is the Government’s policy to replace all benefits and tax credits with one unified benefit. The database set up to manage it will be built into the tax system and rely on the ‘real time reporting’ system for tax payments which is currently in development. It is therefore likely that everyone,with or without a job, will find themselves on the database.

Under Real Time Reporting, the Government will require self-employed tax-payers and PAYE employers to submit monthly figures on earnings. The Government will know where you are on a month to month basis, unlike the current system which only relies on annual returns. This will create a huge amount of additonal work and beaurocracy for self employed people and small firms alike. Like many aspects of the plans, this is something the Government hasn’t been particularly forthcoming about.


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Universal Credit is set to be ‘digital by default’ meaning people will only be able to input information online. People without online access at home will be required to use insecure internet cafes and, if they can still find one, libraries, should they need to report in personal information changes to the Government.

It is the voice recognition system however which will be of most concern to civil liberties campaigners. Known as ‘voice biometrics’ this relies on the fact that everyone has a unique ‘voice print’ which can be used to identify them. Whilst it has never been tested on such a huge scale, the DWP are trialling voice recognition technology right now in the hope of building it into the new system. This has the potential to become an ID Card by default. Whilst coppers will not be able to demand to see your papers they will only need a sample of your voice to access your extensive government file. You have the right to remain silent.

By far the most chilling aspect of the plans however will be the ability of spooks everywhere to track and access your phone calls. The US Echelon satellite famously hoovers up all digital information flying through the air which includes telephone conversations. If they have access to your voice print, they will be able to immediately indentify and record any telephone call you make from any phone in the world.

If big brother UK isn’t listening to you then the CIA may well be. Not to be outdone however are this countries leading eaves-droppers GCHQ. With well founded fears of fraud and hacking being voiced, it is GCHQ who are being brought in to try and prevent this.

Iain Duncan Smith said recently: “We are talking to everybody from the private sector right the way through to GCHQ about how and what is the best point at which you protect that information.”

So private companies and spooks alike are set to have access to your Government file.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 25, 2012 1:36 pm 
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Excellent stuff.

The Civil Liberties Coalition at it again. I await with special interest the input of right wing friends of liberty like Dominic Raab and Danny Hannan.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 25, 2012 10:15 pm 
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Can anybody provide me with details of the workfare scheme for old adults?
My advisor has hinted that it may be coming my way.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 25, 2012 11:39 pm 
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I think I convinced my FiL of the problems with Workfare. Either that or he was just so sick of arguing with me. I dunno, either way it felt good.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 2:49 am 
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Bones McCoy wrote:
Can anybody provide me with details of the workfare scheme for old adults?
My advisor has hinted that it may be coming my way.

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Older, highly experienced adults who just need the economy to turn around?

Cameron is a waste of oxygen.....

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 Post subject: Re: Workfare
PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 12:24 pm 
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It's a secret in Scotland
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COMPANIES and charities that give placements to the unemployed under the UK Government's controversial unpaid work schemes have been granted anonymity.

Protest groups targeting Mandatory Work Activity and other programmes. are being blamed for a decision to keep secret the names of a dwindling band of companies still willing to provide work placements under the flagship employability schemes.

Since the beginning of the year, The Herald has been asking for the names of the companies providing placements in Scotland under the controversial schemes, branded as "forced labour" by protest groups, which require those on benefits to take up voluntary work, unpaid placements or lose their support.

The request was initially turned down on the basis of commercial confidentiality. The Herald challenged the decision on the grounds that similar lists had already been published for the south-east and north-west regions of England, and the decision was therefore hard to justify.

Yesterday, the Department of Work and Pensions (DWP) confirmed its initial decision. While admitting its stance appeared inconsistent, the Government said high-profile demonstrations against some of the companies involved had led it to change its position.

In a letter, the department said: "The DWP acknowledges there is a public interest in organisations involved in providing work placements for the work programme; we have in fact released this information following previous FoI [Freedom of Information] requests.


http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home ... t.17117053

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 Post subject: Re: Workfare
PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 9:40 pm 
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I've been thinking about this again as I have a JCP appointment next week.

Surely there's a way out of this? Okay, sure, get a job - but I've got to have a foot to stand on, right?

I've tried looking at the Boycott Workfare site and it has some vague hints, but it doesn't particularly seem to have a decent guide as to where you stand on it. I have work experience, I'm not think, I'm just... hindered by undiagnosed problems. I don't think for a moment that my NHS letters will count for shit.

Anyone?

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 Post subject: Re: Workfare
PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 9:47 pm 
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I don't know. But I'd get down to see your GP, so there's something bang up to date in your hand. It might help.

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 Post subject: Re: Workfare
PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 9:56 pm 
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I wouldn't even know what I'd need. Most recent letter I have is from this year saying I'm still on the "waiting list" as it were.

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 Post subject: Re: Workfare
PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 10:18 pm 
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You'll have to excuse me, I'm gonna run around screaming, swearing and kicking things.

The Boycott Workfare sites, the ones about protecting your data, the ones about refusing work experience - it's all written obtusely. It's either steeped in legalese or double-speak, or it's written by someone with a grasp of English not that much better than the EDL (SPORT ARE FREEDUM), so it's just impossible to make sense of *anything*.

It's half my own fault for letting myself get this bad, but this is just getting frakking ridiculous.

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 Post subject: Re: Workfare
PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 10:20 pm 
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Not your fault at all.

I don't know what stuff you've got from your doctor already. I was just thinking something bang up to date, along similar lines, might help. The doctor might have done this before and know more than me.


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 Post subject: Re: Workfare
PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 10:27 pm 
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All I have are letters saying I've been referred for psych evaluation, nothing more. Got one from ~mid '10, one from late '11/early '12, both of which suggest it's a long-term thing. Sort of. Well, if I'm still on the waiting list after all this time, then it's clearly not gone away. I don't think there's anything my GP could do, and it's not like I can afford a doctor's letter. If they offer me a choice - A4E or work placement, I will go for A4E. It's a morning every week/fortnight (I forget which), and it ain't gonna hurt too much. Well, sort of, but not. I can stomach it. Work placement, though? I'd love to just sit there and say "I don't consent", but I've no idea what would happen. Apparently you can turn around and say you're happy with your current Job Seeker's Agreement if they try and force a new one on you, but I'm not too sure.

Considering the horror tales I've read, I think even if I turned up dead they'd still expect me to look for work and also work for free.

Was gonna stay up late and scour some job sites, but I can't be fudged. My mood is too foul.

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