Phone Hacking

smod · **Posted:** Mon Mar 26, 2012 8:58 pm

News Corp lawyers handled case between Canal+ and NDS before it went to court. Murdoch asset purchased to settle.

Althea · **Posted:** Mon Mar 26, 2012 8:58 pm

smod wrote:

News Corp lawyers handled case between Canal+ and NDS before it went to court. Murdoch asset purchased to settle.

i.e. "You sue us, we'll buy you out"

Tubby Isaacs · **Posted:** Mon Mar 26, 2012 9:00 pm

Was the urbane Tom Crone involved in that?

Althea · **Posted:** Mon Mar 26, 2012 9:11 pm

Okay, that was a little disappointing. Seemed more of a wet fart than anything.

But it kinda does point out just how many pies the Murdochs have their fingers in, and just how horrible the companies they're associated with can be.

smod · **Posted:** Mon Mar 26, 2012 9:12 pm

News Corp press release from 2002:

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As part of the acquisition agreement, all litigation between the parties, including Stream’s litigation against Telepiu and Canal+’s litigation against NDS, will be suspended immediately and permanently withdrawn when the transaction closes.

http://t.co/7ykVdp5r

smod · **Posted:** Mon Mar 26, 2012 9:19 pm

Vivendi (owners of Canal+) sold Telepiu for a billion euros to News Corp http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/2034242.stm

satnav · **Posted:** Mon Mar 26, 2012 11:16 pm

I've not got round to watching the Panorama programme yet but on a wider point is there any company in the country that can now compete with BSKYB when it comes to bidding for rights to broadcast major sporting events? BSKYB now own the rights for the premiership, cricket test match and Formula One racing and I can't actually see that there is any other broadcaster that can actually put together a bid that could win back any of those rights. Is this really a healthy situation? What happens when some of these rights next come on the market and BSKYB offer half what they are paying now? Suddenly some major sports could see their incomes plummet dramatically and this could clearly result in a number of clubs or teams going out of business. If you look at Scottish football many clubs took a major hit when Setanta went into administration and their deal for coverage of Scottish football collapsed.

Tubby Isaacs · **Posted:** Mon Mar 26, 2012 11:23 pm

Yeah. There's no way it's just another TV company.

smod · **Posted:** Mon Mar 26, 2012 11:31 pm

OnDigital collapsing cost the Championship over £100 million in lost revenue. I wonder if Ofcom will investigate this case further in light of fit and proper cases.

satnav · **Posted:** Tue Mar 27, 2012 12:27 am

Given that Murdoch knew that the Panorama programme was due to be aired tonight is it just a coincidence that the Sunday Times published it's big exclusive yesterday on cash for influence which virtually guaranteed that the Panorama claims would get very little coverage elsewhere in the media?

smod · **Posted:** Tue Mar 27, 2012 11:39 am

The Indy's editor has been making some curious statements about Leveson and The Guardian:

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The Leveson Inquiry into press standards is “deeply flawed”, according to the editor of The Independent.

Chris Blackhurst has also claimed that “if the Guardian had actually realised how to work a mobile phone” the inquiry would never have been set up.

“They thought it was journalists who were deleting messages on Milly Dowler’s phone – it wasn’t, they just happened to be deleted as time went on,” he said at a City University debate held in association with Press Gazette last night.

“I know it was bad her phone was hacked – but it was the feeling that her parents thought that their daughter might still be alive because her messages were being deleted that was the bit that really pulled at the heartstrings," he said.

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“I can’t defend and won’t defend some of the things that journalists have done, but if we set up an inquiry right now into the ethics of the food industry, or the ethics of the transport industry, or the ethics of medicine, we’d be sitting forever and all sorts of horrors would be revealed,” he said.

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“If that stops society will be poorer,” he said, adding that if the new system of regulation goes anywhere near Parliament the press “could be in for a very torrid time”.

Boohoo.

http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/story.asp ... =49014&c=1

Althea · **Posted:** Tue Mar 27, 2012 11:42 am

Question; How does he know they just happened to be deleted?

visage · **Joined:** Wed Dec 15, 2010 5:05 pm **Posts:** 318

Disclaimer: Back in the day I used to work for NDS.

Now, with that out of the way - a little info.

Back when OnDigital were setting up, they had a choice of encryption providers - NDS were one, as were Nagra. The former were expensive, but pretty much unbreakable. The latter were considerably cheaper, but easier to hack.

I personally dont know if NDS were behind the hack. But even if they werent, it would have happened anyway - the Nagra system was very easy to break. This whole episode ties in very neatly to the 'Evil Empire' agenda, but that isnt really accurate.

Althea · **Posted:** Tue Mar 27, 2012 11:52 am

The programme implied NDS were behind the hack, or at least had a very, very, very large hand in it. Everything will eventually be hacked somehow, or at least most things will be. If it can be built, it can be destroyed and all that.

The point was more along the lines of NDS were involved with criminals who broke the system, and they also ended up with copies of the hacked code and so on.

smod · **Posted:** Tue Mar 27, 2012 12:07 pm

The wider implications are Panorama has internal emails between hackers and business men which show a clear link to hack and ruin the competition of OnDigital. It's an old story but the implications (if true) are very damaging since they've gotten people to finally speak on camera. Never mind the fact that the very top of News Corp purchased a smaller company off Vivendi to end a litigation case between NDS and Canal+ seems a little more than simply a business deal now. Of course, there was no smoking gun, but there's enough smoke for Ofcom to investigate (if they so choose).

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