...to be so pointless you almost become relevant?

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It's Dominic Sandcock. 'Nuff said.

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His evidence for punks voting Tory is a comment from Paul Weller saying he might vote Tory at the next election. Personally I don't regard Paul Weller as a punk and even if he was a punk in the past it must be a good 30 years ago. In the 80's he was a key figure in Red Wedge who raised funds and played gigs for the Labour Party.

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And he ran the Style Council just like a regular council. They had meetings, took votes on important issues affecting them...

...and had regular collections of rubbish.

Badoom-tish, I'm here all week etc.

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Well they had guitars and a drum kit I suppose. But there were only three of them. And er they wore suits and shirts & ties .. and were er.. mods....

Sandbrook would have been 3 years old in 1976. Says it all.

Eh? Saying something like that just shows that a wanker has spent too much time listening to friggin' Fleetwood Mac.

And just where did Weller lead The Jam? To the promised land? Don't think so. And there's a Heavy Metal joke in there somewhere.

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Were The Jam punk? (Fuck me it's 34 years since I've engaged in this discussion). Well their big break was supporting The Clash on the White Riot tour, John Lydon (who plagiarised In The City for Holidays In The Sun) regarded them as such and talked them up in their early days. Essentially in 1976 there were only four punk bands The Pistols, Clash, Damned and The Jam. As far as The Jam's mod image was concerned, at the time (76-77) they only ever wore black suits and skinny black ties which was quite a punk look in itself and was adopted by several of the punk/new wave acts which followed.


The first few singles and first album sit very comfortably alongside what their contemporaries were doing. So they looked like punks, sounded like punks, toured with punks and were accepted as part of the movement by the acknowledged punk leadership of The Pistols and The Clash.

Paul Weller's ill considered, off the cuff "Voting Tory" comment was said in a fit of pique. He was trying to disassociate himself from punk with which he had become disillusioned as he felt that the movement had become elitist and lost it's way. Specifically he had fallen out with Uncle Joe Strummer. An interview asked Weller about his politics and made an assumption that he was a socialist because Strummer and most of the punks were. Weller said he didn't like being labelled that way and, as a joke, sarcastically quipped they (The Jam)would all be voting Tory. The music papers jumped on the story and took the remark out of context and poor old Weller has been explaining it ever since.

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I've always felt that punk was more about an attitude than a look - the attitude being one of democratisation of the music scene, making music that was 'relevant' to the audience, and inspiring a can-do ethos. That you didn't have to be a massive rock star living on an estate, anyone with a guitar and an idea could write a song. In this, it's remarkably similar to every other musical 'revolution' - the old lot are stale and past it, let's hear something new. Could be wrong though.

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Yeah, and the "Who was the first punk band on TOTP?". With some mentally deficient oxygen thieves maintaining to this day that it was Eddie and the Hot Rods.

Eddie and the Hot Rods ? Punk? Go have a word with yourself! Pub rock and you know it!

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Never been fussed by The Jam and can't bear solo Weller - is it wrong to think The Style Council were by far his best band?

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Nicely put.

I expect Malcolm will be along in a minute to explain that punk wasn't proper music because they didn't play 20 minute solos.

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I haven't got round to listening to any yet.

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Not at all. Jam fans (some of them being friends of mine) are notorious for having tastes stuck in 1967 and 1977. I didn't mind The Jam, but for goodness sake, my listening habits have moved on from thirty years ago!

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I was a massive Jam fan and all I can say is you must have some very dull friends.
I'd have thought most people retain a fondness for music from their youth so I'm intrigued about your assertion that Jam fans are "notorious" for being stuck in the past, what's your source for that? I very rarely listen to them now, occasionally in the car, or a nostalgic moment. A few songs are still in my guitar repertoire in reworked folky guise a la The Bad Shepherds.

The first couple of Style Council albums contain probably the best songs that Weller ever wrote and have dated better than the singles which sound a bit too cheesy 80's for me. I don't listen to his solo stuff much.

I listen to all sorts of music from lots of different eras and times in my life. I've had particular obsessions at different times and then I move on to the next discovery. I may be unusual, but I still like all the music I've ever bought (I have impeccable taste ) and like to revisit it occasionally.

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You're not wrong. You're not alone either. I infinitely prefer The Style Council to The Jam and don't mind that some of their stuff was a bit Shakatak, a bit Spandau Ballet even. Oh, and until you've heard Weller's latest album, I wouldn't dismiss him. It's a far cry from the meat and potatoes, Small Faces/Family influenced bollocks of his early solo career and it's really rather good.

Dominic Sandbrook doesn't understand what the punk movement was about. This is a movement, remember, that included The Stranglers, Siousxie and the Banshees, The Damned, X Ray Spex, The Clash and The Sex Pistols. All of these bands had instantly idenitifiable sounds and although most of these bands didn't achieve the kind of sales figures of Elton John, Abba, Fleetwood Mac and the like, many of the people who grabbed the punk ethos baton did. Some may laugh but bands like Duran Duran, Simple Minds, New Order, The Cure, Depeche Mode and Adam and the Ants were all hugely influenced by Punk. They all shared the same ideology. They all wanted to give the music scene a good shake. They were all railing against convention and lower case conservatism. They were all saying 'fuck you' to the establishment. Unfortunately, the money men moved in and most of these bands were urged to dilute their sounds to achieve massive sales figures. The DIY ethic was replaced by big producers and, in the case of Duran Duran, big budgets for music videos that would get them attention from MTV, which was still in its infancy. The bands learned to play their instruments properly, the music became glossier, sometimes over-produced glossy but most of these bands still retained much of their original ideology, especially in the way they looked and dressed. Much of that ideology has filtered down to the youth of today.