Oh ok. Because you said it couldn't be challenged, after the ad had been pulled (so I knew you didn't mean that), I thought you wanted something more.

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What I meant was that if you put an advert or statement of any kind on something like a billboard, a bus or a taxi, there is no direct way to challenge it unless you do a campaign of your own in a similar fashion (which is costly).

Think of it like a locked topic on a forum. You can read it, but you can't respond to it. You can't challenge it directly. You can create your own topic, but you're not challenging it at its source.

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That's called debate...

Debate is getting around a literal or theoretical table.

Debate is not taking pot shots at each other via expensive marketing/advertising campaigns.

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OK.

Well, it's not. Using billboards and so forth like that is just an extended public game of "whose dick is the biggest". It doesn't promote healthy, balanced debate.

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Obviously you, as an individual, don't have the same clout as the two Christian organisations which funded these ads, you need others. Unity is Strength and all that.
Have you checked out Stonewall's site? Are they organising any opposition to this therapy? Anything you could lend your support to? Just because this particular ad has been censored, doesn't mean it will go away. If you want it stopped do something about it.

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You're claiming credit for the religious posters put up inside buses, are you?

Stonewall don't have a particularly good reputation when it comes to the trans community, as far as I'm aware, so I'm reluctant to throw my weight in with them.

I also prefer to fight battles where I'm not completely out of my depth.

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The purpose of the proposed posters was to inform the public that the therapy was available. By banning it Boris has given the therapy far more publicity than a few posters ever could (and for free too). That has sparked debate. Not just here but on other forums and I expect some of the papers and broadcast media will discuss it too. How healthy and balanced that is depends who gets involved.

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Oh ok, it's not my area of expertise. Are there any other groups you could check out?

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Of course, action & reaction and all of that. But those posters should not have even been approved in the first place, because the "therapy" in question is not accredited/recognised by the leading association of... psychiatristy therapy peopley thingies. BACS? BCAS? I forget, even though I posted it just an hour or so ago. There's no scientific evidence they work, most likely there's scientific evidence they don't work, and as such they should not have been allowed at all. Adverts are likely banned or barred all the time without us knowing.

As for other groups? No idea, but I don't have the energy for it at the moment. Maybe in the future, but now? I can't. Well, can but have decided to stick to what I know for the meantime.

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We're just going round in circles with this. The posters never made any claims. In my opinion, they were nasty, offensive and bullshit. But that's not illegal and nor should it be. If a law is framed which bans causing offence then people can claim the same about people I do support and use it to silence them.
As for unaccredited therapies being banned, well where to begin.
How about faith healing and the power of prayer? Should religions be banned from praying for the sick unless they can prove it works? Because I think that's what you'd have to do.

Edit: It's now in The Mail - no comments yet but when the homophobes notice it, and they will, I doubt they'll provide the kind of "healthy and balanced" debate you were hoping for.

Church's 'gay cure' advert is banned from London buses after huge public outcry

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z1rs4LkETO

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Don't be silly.

The Guardian's Facebook page on that article is now full of comments singing Boris's praises and pledging to vote Tory to protect gay rights. You couldn't make it up. If the current shower of Tories weren't so totally incompetent, I'd say they manufactured the whole thing as electioneering. But they couldn't have.......... could they?

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