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 Post subject: Rape (and the reporting of)
PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 8:30 pm 
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OK, I'm sure most on here are aware of the high profile Ched Evans case. However, now, it seems to have taken a very ugly and depressing turn.

Ched Evans rape victim 'named and abused online': "Profoundly disturbing" comments probed by police

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Police are investigating reports that the woman raped by footballer Ched Evans was being named and abused online.

It follows a complaint to North Wales Police by a leading rape charity which said the alleged comments on Twitter were "profoundly disturbing".

Sheffield United and Wales striker Evans, 23, was jailed for five years at Caernarfon Crown Court on Friday after being found guilty of raping the woman who was "too drunk to consent".

A spokeswoman for North Wales Police said tonight: "We are aware of some comments made on social media sites and we are collating all relevant information."

Rape and other sexual assault victims are guaranteed the legal right to lifetime anonymity.

But victims' groups fear the current criminal justice rules could be inadequate to guarantee anonymity in the age of social media.

And the latest revelations would add credence to the argument that the law needs updating to prevent victims being identified on the internet.

Holly Dustin, director of the End Violence Against Women coalition, and Rape Crisis England and Wales, said: "It is profoundly disturbing that the victim in the Ched Evans trial has been named and abused on Twitter and other social media sites.

"It has long been law that rape complainants are protected by lifetime anonymity and those who have named her have been reported to the police for committing a criminal offence.

"This raises serious questions about the adequacy of the criminal justice system to deal with offences that occur online and we are calling for an urgent review of laws and practices."

Evans admitted having sex with the victim, then aged 19, at a hotel in north Wales last May.

In her evidence, the woman said she has no memory of the incident and the prosecution argued she was too drunk to consent to sexual intercourse.

Evans' co-accused, Port Vale defender Clayton McDonald, 23, who also admitted having sex with the victim, was found not guilty.

Ms Dustin added: "We want to see football clubs and the Football Association take a strong stance against sexism in the sport.

"We also want the Government to take concerted action to address attitudes that condone violence.

"This must include ongoing public campaigns to challenge rape myths, work with young people in schools as well as action to tackle sexism online and in our daily newspapers.

"We cannot afford to shrug our shoulders any longer and hope that this problem will go away."


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Given the high level nature of the accused and the nature of the outcome is it only natural that certain people would go out of their way to break the law? After all, it's offence to do so. In a social media age how do we protect victims of rape without fear of reprisals.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 8:43 pm 
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http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Po ... 94247.html

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http://stavvers.wordpress.com/2012/04/2 ... apologism/


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 8:50 pm 
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Good blog piece. Again, not everyone liking this page is necessarily a sympathiser but to have over 900 'likes' in a short space of time is rather trite. Especially when you read comments and shockingly by some females that are so quick to defend him.

http://www.facebook.com/SecuringAnImmed ... rChedEvans

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 Post subject: Re: Rape (and the reporting of)
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Great blog, I am not an unequivocal supporter of the too drunk to consent law however I cannot see in this case where people problems lie. It is as if they have never been drunk, that's how it works, one minute you are happily chatting( or having sex) then it is three hours later.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 10:49 am 
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I was disgusted by some of the comments on twitter to be honest, and then the Free Ched T Shirts, he ain't Dedrie Barlow.


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Just blogged on this, all the while thinking why the fuck does this need to be said again!

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The elevation of professional footballers in society somehow exonerates their actions to some - and demonstrating a fundamental lack of understanding of the law by his supporters. All in the name of 'Lad' culture and 'banter'. These words have become the sexist/misogynistic version of 'I'm not racist but...."

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 Post subject: Re: Rape (and the reporting of)
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Has any explanation been given as to why this case has taken so long to come to court? I'm think the offence took place about a year ago yet Evans has been allowed to play almost a full season of football before appearing in the dock. Have the delays been down to the crown prosecution service or has Evans simply been exploiting loopholes to drag thinks out so the case doesn't interfere with his football career?

How many victims of rape will report the incident to the police if they know the case will take a year to be heard and when it is heard they could possibly be identified on the Internet?

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satnav wrote:
Has any explanation been given as to why this case has taken so long to come to court? I'm think the offence took place about a year ago yet Evans has been allowed to play almost a full season of football before appearing in the dock. Have the delays been down to the crown prosecution service or has Evans simply been exploiting loopholes to drag thinks out so the case doesn't interfere with his football career?

How many victims of rape will report the incident to the police if they know the case will take a year to be heard and when it is heard they could possibly be identified on the Internet?

Apparentley he has been named in the League 1 Team of the year (which whether he actually is guilty or not, I find a staggeringly poor example)


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 2:38 pm 
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I didn't follow the whole trial, but can't see the logic of convicting only one as
both admitted having sex with her. Either she was too drunk to consent or she wasn't.
How you ensure victim anonymity in view of the Internet, I don't know. I suspect it's impossible if someone feels strongly enough to leak details.

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To quote StoryG - consenting to sex with one man doesn't mean you are automatically consenting to sex with anyone else who feels like it.


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 Post subject: Re: Rape (and the reporting of)
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Maybe the footballer turned up later? I can see how that could lead the jury to say she might have concented to the first bloke but not the second?


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Yes, of course.
There was evidence that she was not incapable at the time of the first sexual encounter (CCTV) but evidence (phone video) that she was at the time of the rape.


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Evans testimony makes it more understandable:


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Mr Philpotts accused Evans of leaving the hotel through an emergency exit, adding: “You left through that exit because you knew what you had done.”

“No,” Evans replied.

“And you didn’t want to be seen going through reception.”

“No,” Evans said again.

Mr Philpotts asked: “What was the hurry to leave?”

Evans said: “Because I didn’t want to be in the room in case my girlfriend rang me.”


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The court heard that McDonald met the woman and took her back to the room to have sex with her.

He then sent a text to Evans to say he had “got a bird” and was joined by Evans shortly afterwards.

Both men admit having sex with the woman but say it was consensual.

Evans told the court that he wanted to go back to the room and tell McDonald that one of their friends had been arrested and to see if he knew the girl, as he was a “local lad”.

He admitted “deceiving” the receptionist to get the key card to the room and then letting himself in and seeing McDonald having sex with the girl.

He said they realised he was there when the door “made a clunking noise” behind him.

Evans told the court he watched them having sex for about “10/20 seconds” and then McDonald “asked” if his mate could “get involved”.

“Then she looked at me and said yes,” Evans said.

The footballer then said he carried on watching “for a minute or two” before McDonald got up to close the bedroom curtains, as there was “giggling” coming from the window, where Evans’ brother and a friend were trying to watch from.

Evans said that when McDonald got up the girl asked him to perform oral sex on her, which he did.

He said: “I performed oral sex on her for maybe two or three minutes and then she turned over on all fours and then asked to be f***** basically”.

He said the girl asked him to “f*** her harder”.

“They were the words she was using,” he said.


He contradicts himself here:

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Mr Philpotts then asked the footballer why he chose to leave the hotel room which he had paid £99 for and walk home.

Evans said it was because the room had not been booked for him.

He said it was “never his intention” to go and “get a girl” that night.

He also said he did not recognise the alleged victim from a bar earlier in the night when she was seen to fall over.

CCTV was played to the court of Evans appearing to look at the girl as she lay on the floor.

But he said he was “looking at her legs” and not her face.


He said he could not remember making a call to McDonald after receiving his text about him “getting a bird” and then also claimed he could not remember the taxi journey to the hotel - a taxi he shared with his brother and a friend.

Mr Philpotts then asked Evans why he did not knock on the hotel door if he knew his friend was in there with a girl.

Evans said: “Because I had a key card. I wasn’t to know what he was doing.”

Mr Philpotts replied: “I don’t want to be facetious but they would not have been playing Scrabble, would they? Did you really not know what they would be doing?”

Evans said: “No.”


He doesn't recall phoning McDonald but still has the text about him being with a "bird" and they booked a hotel room. I highly doubt he didn't know what was going to happen.

http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/at- ... -1-4459182

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Fact: Someone doesn't have to say the word NO to withhold permission. There are lots of ways they might say they don't want to have sex. Many people find it hard to say anything, and will show through their body language that they don't want to.

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Consent to one sort of sexual activity does not mean you are getting consent to everything. Permission is required for each activity.
Consent may be withdrawn at any time. If your partner changes their mind, it's their right to do so.
Even if you have had sex with someone before, you still need permission the next time.
Giving oral sex to someone without permission is rape.
If you do not get consent – it's rape.


http://thisisabuse.direct.gov.uk/worrie ... lt/consent

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The offending tweet has since been removed. Yet, another footballer comes out in defence of Ched Evans.

http://yfrog.com/c834lvj

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