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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs Benefits
PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 11:30 pm 
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Staggering rise of the British food bank: One opens every week after rise in families unable to afford to eat
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2131010/Staggering-rise-British-food-bank-One-opens-week-families-pay-packet-away-having-money.html#comments

I think many of the comments under the article show how the drip drip of stories about people having comfortable life's on benefit affect the way Mail readers view people on benefits.


If you are not on benefits and use such a bank to feed your family then you are a tragic victim of the heartless self-serving, middle England hating government. If you use these banks to feed your family and you are on benefits, then you are a lazy scrounger, afraid to work and happy to get something for nothing even if you are not entitled.


What a total bunch of....MAIL READERS... in the comments, the article quotes from a working family, forced to use the food bank due to illness, yet all the top rated comments are about booze and cigs.

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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs Benefits
PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 7:24 am 
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storygirl wrote:
shyamz wrote:
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Staggering rise of the British food bank: One opens every week after rise in families unable to afford to eat
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2131010/Staggering-rise-British-food-bank-One-opens-week-families-pay-packet-away-having-money.html#comments

I think many of the comments under the article show how the drip drip of stories about people having comfortable life's on benefit affect the way Mail readers view people on benefits.


If you are not on benefits and use such a bank to feed your family then you are a tragic victim of the heartless self-serving, middle England hating government. If you use these banks to feed your family and you are on benefits, then you are a lazy scrounger, afraid to work and happy to get something for nothing even if you are not entitled.


What a total bunch of....MAIL READERS... in the comments, the article quotes from a working family, forced to use the food bank due to illness, yet all the top rated comments are about booze and cigs.


Can you get Beer and Fags at food banks?
I find that rather unlikely.


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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs Benefits
PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 8:08 am 
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Only in NU liebour Broken Britain, you couldn't make it up!

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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs Benefits
PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 7:00 pm 
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Nice inflammatory headline

The only way is easy street: How Essex town of Brentwood is skiving capital of Britain


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z1st5VeX3K

However, the Dacre Drip isn't working. Top rated comments are:

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I think what most peopel don't realise is that even the genuinely sick are being kicked off their benefits not just the fakers. I am all for kicking the fakers off benefits but there are people who are genuinely ill particularly with mental illnesses who simply cannot work and are having their benefits removed and being told that they are fit even although this goes against all medical advice. If you are mentally ill you are not fit to look for a job therefore you do not qualify for jobseekers. I have worked my whole life and paid my taxes but should I fall ill I am sure there will be no benefits for me. There are people receiving chemotherapy who have been told that they are fit to work this cannot be right. Like I say I am totally in favour of removing the wasters and the feckless from the benefit system but I strongly believe that is NOT who is being hit. They have social workers and all sorts fighting their corner most of us do not.

- I am only saying, UK, 21/4/2012 3:59 293


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Did you know the private company ATOS have found people with terminal cancer fit for work ??

- Hagar , Blackpool, 21/4/2012 9:00 246


As Full Fact point out:

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It is true that, according to government statistics, 55 per cent of incapacity benefit claimants have been reassessed as Fit for Work in Brentwood, justifying the Mail’s headline.

But it is important to remember that this figure of 55 per cent is the highest in the report, with some areas as low as 17 per cent (Bexley and Wealden), 18 per cent (Ribble Valley, Greenwich and Surrey Heath) and 19 per cent (Perth & Kinross).

It is also dangerous to dub Brentwood the "skiving capital of Britain" based on a sample of only around 60 cases - one the smallest caseload figures across all 390 areas in the study. There is also no data to indicate whether these individuals are fraudulently 'skiving' work or whether this is just a result of more stringent assessment criteria.


http://fullfact.org/factchecks/are_most ... he_country

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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs Benefits
PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 11:30 am 
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The family of 14 moving to Australia are back in the papers.

'I wish we'd left benefits Britain long ago': Hard working dad of 12 who emigrated to Australia is thriving in new life

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z1t2vk0wYs

At the bottom of the story there is a box comparing living costs in Britain and Australia but much of the info looks very duff.
House prices in Australia are not cheaper than in Britain unless you are talking about a shack in the middle of nowhere.I also doubt that food shopping in Australia is cheaper than over here. When I was in Australia 4 years ago I found the cost of food very expensive simply because there are only two main supermarket chains in the country so there is no the kind of price competition you get in this country.

There really must be more to this story than we are being told either this bloke has won the lottery or inherited so money because I can't see how a bloke doing a manual job can support a wife and 12 children in country where the cost of living is relatively high.

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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs Benefits
PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 1:16 pm 
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The truth is that going to talk to him after only two weeks is ludicrous. Quite apart from the fact that, after the original publicity he's never going to announce that he's been made a godalmighty mistake, he hasn't yet had the chance to discover the true cost of food and accommodation, let alone the fact that he's going to have to pay towards education and health care. And good luck with the application for child benefit and tax credits.


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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs Benefits
PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 9:42 am 
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Yes, come back in two years and see how he's getting on then once the culture shock has kicked in and hopefully subsided. Australia is really expensive compared to the UK partly because they have to import so much.


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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs Benefits
PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 11:37 am 
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He must have some kind of skill to have got enough points to emigrate, so why complain about benefits here?

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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs Benefits
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What a shower! Business hires seven jobless people... but none turned up for work because it RAINED

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z1t9ROzF25

Here we go again, people in this country just don't want to work because they get more on benefit.

Looking at the facts the guy was offering a job paying £6.08 a week for a 35 hour week, but then he adds a catch by saying new staff need to work on probation for £100 a week and it cost £5 a day to get to work. Presumably at the end of the probation period he can just get rid of the staff and recruit another set of mugs.

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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs Benefits
PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 2:27 pm 
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What a shower! Business hires seven jobless people... but none turned up for work because it RAINED

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z1t9ROzF25

Here we go again, people in this country just don't want to work because they get more on benefit.

Looking at the facts the guy was offering a job paying £6.08 a week for a 35 hour week, but then he adds a catch by saying new staff need to work on probation for £100 a week and it cost £5 a day to get to work. Presumably at the end of the probation period he can just get rid of the staff and recruit another set of mugs.

As a 'telesales executive', too. So, net £10-15 per day to cold-call and be sworn at/abused under pressure of sales targets. Fuck that.

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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs Benefits
PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 9:46 am 
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Being under the minimum wage isn't that also illegal?


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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs Benefits
PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 9:49 am 
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Being under the minimum wage isn't that also illegal?


That's what I thought. Not like he's offering apprenticeships.

This story does need telling, but from a completely different angle. Immoral wanker.

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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs Benefits
PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 9:54 am 
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So towards the end of the article...

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The jobseekers who failed to turn up will not lose their benefits because the basic pay is under the minimum wage.


If this is true and this rule or loophole exists, then the benefits system is being used by unscrupulous employers to subsidise their shitty wages. Now that would be a real story.


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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs Benefits
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There are typical comments, but luckily readers are catching onto his deeply immoral wage plan. No wonder people weren't turning up.

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 Post subject: Re: The Mail vs Benefits
PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 12:54 am 
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Timbo wrote:
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What a shower! Business hires seven jobless people... but none turned up for work because it RAINED

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z1t9ROzF25

Here we go again, people in this country just don't want to work because they get more on benefit.

Looking at the facts the guy was offering a job paying £6.08 a week for a 35 hour week, but then he adds a catch by saying new staff need to work on probation for £100 a week and it cost £5 a day to get to work. Presumably at the end of the probation period he can just get rid of the staff and recruit another set of mugs.

As a 'telesales executive', too. So, net £10-15 per day to cold-call and be sworn at/abused under pressure of sales targets. Fuck that.


The same story in a respectable newspaper http://blogs.mirror.co.uk/investigation ... roper-Job/

Similar situation to one I encountered - bogus self employment.


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