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PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 9:03 pm 
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Out leafletting this afternoon I saw a house with the 3 lions rampant on a flagpole.

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I find that this is the personal banner of Richard I. Who I don't think lives in Carshalton Beeches.


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 Post subject: Re: RightMinds
PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 9:10 am 
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With apologies to St George - patron saint of a country that seems to be dying of shame

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/artic ... z1szErvjie

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Saints day: St George's Day is celebrated on 23rd April, but to seemingly little fanfare

An article that's as shit as you're imaginging it'll be:
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Dear St George,

Happy saint's day - hope you have a good one! True, you won't get a proper celebration like your pals Andrew, David and Patrick. I mean, you're probably not too jealous of Andy being toasted by a bunch of belligerently nationalistic Scots, or Dave being commemorated by Welshmen with daffodils and leeks pinned to their rugby shirts. But Paddy's another matter. He's got the whole world holding marches, dyeing their beer green and pretending that they're Irish. You’d have to be a saint not to be, well, green with envy at that. Oh, yes, of course, you ARE a saint. But still, you know what I mean.

It's just your rotten luck that you’re the patron saint of a country that's dying of self-hatred and shame. Actually, let me rephrase that … You're the patron saint of a country whose governing elite are dying of self-hatred and shame. I don't know quite what it is that’s caused the problem. Maybe it's some sort of guilt at the fact that for centuries the English were really incredibly good at beating other people, taking over their countries, winning wars and generally being top dog. And for some reason our leaders now feel the need to apologise for that.

After all, what did the English ever do for the world? Apart from give it the planet's most popular language, obviously … and the greatest playwright who ever lived (it's Will's day too, by the way) … and parliamentary democracy, common law, the abolition of slavery, the steam and jet engines, the Beatles, Rolling Stones, James Bond and Harry Potter. Yes, but apart from that … and Winston Churchill, Winnie-the-Pooh, Charles Dickens, police officers, postage stamps, the mini-skirt, the Mini car, the Rolls Royce, football, rugby, cricket, tennis, the Spitfire, four of the world's Top 10 universities and the World Service … Apart from all that – oh, and about 100 Nobel laureates – it's quite clear that this is an absolutely rubbish country that should spend most of its time apologising to everyone for absolutely everything it's ever done.

I imagine that you're fairly cheesed off about the fact that even England's flag – which is, of course, your personal flag – is now regarded as a racist symbol. Apparently the problem is that some nasty, racist, shaven-headed morons have appropriated it as their symbol. So now the rest of us have to grovel to anyone we might offend by waving it inappropriately.

The odd thing is, though, that the people who are supposed to be offended, aren't. I don't know if you ever happen to cast an eye on Bradford, but I happened to be there in 2002, a year after the race riots that hit the Manningham area there in July 2001. I was chatting to a local councillor who happened to be Muslim and he was pointing out that all the Asian youth who'd been caught up in the fighting a year beforehand had just spent the 2002 World Cup driving round the city in cars with Crosses of St George fluttering from the windscreen.

And it's not Muslims, or Hindus, or Jews who worry that Christmas, or someone wearing a cross round their neck at work might be offensive.

There's an Indian restaurant in the village where I live. All its staff are Bangladeshi Muslims and every Christmas they hang tinsel in the windows, wish a Merry Christmas to all their customers and stick curried turkey on the menu.

No, the only people who worry about all the ways in which the English might be offending everyone else are the English. As a result, we're just too embarrassed to celebrate your big day, or have an English anthem, or show any of the pride in English culture, English achievements and Englishness that the people of Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland and the Irish Republic show in their countries.

They have absolutely no problem celebrating their saints. And the truth is, nor should we. In the meantime, however, I know it should be your big party, but we seem to be having a quiet night in … Again.

And he's still too tolerant for this cunt:
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I like the article, so how come if you wear a cross at the Airport, non Christians mainly Muslins, are offended.
- Al, Hants, 23/4/2012 22:09


That strawman's so long and boring that it should have done the decent thing after the first paragraph.

Author also claims a number of "Celtic fringe" inventions for St George..


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 Post subject: Re: RightMinds
PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 12:35 am 
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I've just got back from a small town near Torquay (the whitest place I've ever seen) and it was full of St George's sodding flags. Many of them attached to people's houses.

Had the unpleasant experience (which I have never had in London incidentaly) of walking past a group of six or seven portly locals, dressed in St George t shirts, hats, with flags over their shoulders like capes, on their way to the pub. Talking to eachother about exactly what you'd expect "they come to England" and so on, blah blah, don't want to repeat it.

Not only is it the towns that are already predominantly white which always have the greatest number of publicaly displayed flags, but the racists of the town (who exist everywhere of course) always seem to be the most vocal in their hatred of non-plu's - it seems the fewer black or asian people a town has the more the town's white racist knobheads seem to think they the whites are an ignored minority in their own land.

I stand by my belief that for all the normal honest attempts by some well meaning people to make a positive holiday out of St George's Day, many will adopt it as an excuse to be openly racist in public without the risk of been called racist.

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 Post subject: Re: RightMinds
PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 12:42 am 
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Pub in Bethnal Green had flags in its windows.

It's amazing how people on the right like to do the old "why isn't there a parade like St Patrick's Day?" lark.

Those are the same people who argue for more personal responsibility, and who usually think the state promoting something is bad. And who explained that their TPA March v debt was trounced by the anti-cuts march because the unions had laid on buses.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 8:42 am 
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The blueprint for a boom. How a decade of cuts banished the depression of the 1930s

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 Post subject: Re: RightMinds
PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 8:51 am 
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Well, that and the most destructive war in human history...

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I would imagine the war made things worse before making things better.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 8:39 pm 
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It kept them off the streets, mind.


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 Post subject: Re: RightMinds
PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 9:11 pm 
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Andy's point, I believe, is that the needs of war stimulated industry and employment to the point that previous problems were wiped away by the growth of the economy (albeit on borrowed money).
The post-war Labour government then capitalised on the national mood for reform and reconstruction to create a genuinely advanced and enlightened welfare state.
For all of the destruction and loss of life the war had some very positive outcomes for the UK.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 11:21 pm 
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That's absolutely right. Investment in arms would stimulate the economy now if you did it.


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Why me?


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 Post subject: Re: RightMinds
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Tubby Isaacs wrote:
That's absolutely right. Investment in arms would stimulate the economy now if you did it.

Or any other industry.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 11:58 pm 
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We need Franklin Roosevelt's Doctor's Mandate.

Relief of the immediate crisis.
Stimulation to aid recovery.
Reform to ensure it doesn't happen again.

It worked fine, with no armament drive 1933-1936.
Stuffed by the Republicans, economy went backwards without stimulation.
Increases in war production 1938/9 on brought recovery back.


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Interesting timing for this article, just a few days after it's declared that this country is in a double-dip recession.

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 Post subject: Re: RightMinds
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oboogie wrote:
Tubby Isaacs wrote:
That's absolutely right. Investment in arms would stimulate the economy now if you did it.

Or any other industry.


Or indeed paying people to dig holes and fill them in again.


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