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PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 11:06 pm 
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It seems that the overweening arrogance of Dacre knows no limits.
Today at Leveson Tony Blair carefully explained how the Mail had run a vendetta against him. Brian seemed unimpressed by the Mail's conduct. 30 legal challenges over untrue or defamatory stories upheld.

So what do they do?

They do it again

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/artic ... count.html

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PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 11:08 pm 
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On the subject of Iraq, I think the campaigns in Kosovo and Sierra Leone had a profound effect on Blair - especially the latter. It cemented in his mind the notion of a just pre-emptive war - that you can go in, get rid of Bad People, and be home for tea and medals with the world a better place.

Obviously it aint that simple.


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PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 11:17 pm 
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Malcolm Armsteen wrote:
It seems that the overweening arrogance of Dacre knows no limits.
Today at Leveson Tony Blair carefully explained how the Mail had run a vendetta against him. Brian seemed unimpressed by the Mail's conduct. 30 legal challenges over untrue or defamatory stories upheld.

So what do they do?

They do it again

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/artic ... count.html



Remember this next time a Mailtard tells you it speaks for the nation:-

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The Mail (which, compared to the BBC, ITV and other papers, represents only a fraction of the market) – makes no apology for its sustained criticism of Mr Blair, who even now feathers his many nests to the tune of secret millions.

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PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 11:25 pm 
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Slightly on-topic but purely anecdotal story. I once had a pint(s) with a retired ex-army major (early retirement, late 40s, not what's-his-name in Fawlty Towers). He told me that after the Unfinished Business and until recently the average squady would vote right-wing due to peer-pressure, no matter what, while most army officers 'in the know' would do the opposite. The reason was that Labour wouldn't give them any money but wouldn't expect them to do anything; but the Tories wouldn't give them any money either but expect them to go out and reclaim the empire. If that makes sense, coming from my deathly man-flu state of mind?

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 Post subject: Re: Return of the NotW 'phone-hacking scandal?
PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 11:26 pm 
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I'd argue that if you are making shrapnel shells, and you know that your enemy is using them against you (or will do) then it isn't a huge leap of the imagination to see that your soldiers' pates will be sadly exposed. After all, the pickelhaube was designed to protect against threats to the bonce.

Back to the old oxymoron 'military intelligence'.

(Did you know that the British helmets were that shape because that's all the British pressing dies could make? The more complex German helmets reflected more sophisticated metal pressing industries?)

The need for helmets also arose from trench warfare and the high number of head wounds incurred through peering over the parapet (if a man is standing in the open he is more likely to be shot in his torso as that is the biggest target). The French were the first army to introduce them (the Casque Adrian). The British evaluated the French design but found it too weak and also more time consuming to make. Mark 1 Brodie design was based on the medieval infantry kettle hat or chapel-de-fer pressed from a single sheet of steel which made it stronger, cheaper and quicker to make. The German's took a similar approach, a simple single pressing, cheap, effective and quick for their Stahlhelm* the design of which was based upon the medieval sallet.

* The pickelhaube was the leather spiked helmet of 1842 - 1915 designed for show, not protection and a liability in trench warfare.

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At the time when the Mail was sticking the boot into the Blair's on a regular basis Tony Blair's daughter tried to take her own life but presumably the Mail doesn't believe it played any part in pushing her over the edge.

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PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 11:32 pm 
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I thought the Stalhelm took three pressings?

I also was told that the reason for the headgear was airburst shrapnel, leading to huge numbers of top-of-the-head wounds. The British helmet was no use when facing a bullet travelling more or less horizontally, as my father found out to his cost at Dunkirk. I have one on my shelf as I write (and a Type 88 Fuze for that matter, and a load of shrapnel balls) and they really only protect from fairly low-velocity impacts from above.

There are still Adrian helmets showing up at brocantes in France, but because the design changed so little (and because I actually know very little about helmets) it's never clear what period they are from.

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PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2012 11:33 pm 
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At the time when the Mail was sticking the boot into the Blair's on a regular basis Tony Blair's daughter tried to take her own life but presumably the Mail doesn't believe it played any part in pushing her over the edge.


I didn't know that.

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Malcolm Armsteen wrote:
There are still Adrian helmets showing up at brocantes in France, but because the design changed so little (and because I actually know very little about helmets) it's never clear what period they are from.


The Casque Adrian was the most numerous of the three. It was used by the French unchanged until WW2 (the British and German designs were upgraded several times in that period) and also sold to many other nations so there are comparatively loads still around.

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Malcolm Armsteen wrote:
satnav wrote:
At the time when the Mail was sticking the boot into the Blair's on a regular basis Tony Blair's daughter tried to take her own life but presumably the Mail doesn't believe it played any part in pushing her over the edge.


I didn't know that.



It gets a mention here

http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/uk-and-europe/2004/06/18/blair-s-daughter-s-suicide-bid.php

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That's amazing. It's incredible to think a story like that can be kept quiet for so long. One or two of those posts are CotD candidates, though.


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PostPosted: Tue May 29, 2012 10:34 am 
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The Murdoch Press and the Mail made much of it when a Guardian journalist, Amelia Hill, was collared by Operation Weeting. They said that it showed that the Guardian was 'at it' just as much as anyone else.

Well no. The CPS has decided that in Hill's case a public interest defence is acceptable, that no money changed hands and that the information gained from a police officer was used for the general good.

Ha.

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And, that's what, one journalist from the Graun? How many have been investigated or collared from the right wing/Murdoch presses?

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Malcolm Armsteen wrote:
The Murdoch Press and the Mail made much of it when a Guardian journalist, Amelia Hill, was collared by Operation Weeting. They said that it showed that the Guardian was 'at it' just as much as anyone else.

Well no. The CPS has decided that in Hill's case a public interest defence is acceptable, that no money changed hands and that the information gained from a police officer was used for the general good.

Ha.


Proof that the guardian are a lot of do-gooders.


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PostPosted: Tue May 29, 2012 11:59 am 
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