Ironically, William Hague's web-page has large chunks about paternally teaching the wider world all about good old, genuine British developed human rights. Funny then that often seems to be the last thing they want to chat about, when they actually hook up with officials from some of the nastier regimes out there.

And here's a great bit of tabloid churnalism for ya, hang 'em and flog 'em folks!

Parody on down, but mind the drop!!

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"...now, with a most inhuman cruelty, they who have put out the people’s eyes, reproach them of their blindness..."

Was given that to read by a teacher at school. Formative.

Strange I only saw two people having an adult debate.

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I actually agree, and if I thought the woman would get the death penalty would have sympathy. However that is extremely unlikely, the fact still remains though that people know the penalties. It is very different to African drug mules who are often vilified and risk their lives carrying drugs internally who have no idea of the penalties they will be facing. I find it very hard to believe anyone from Britain was unaware what they were doing was illegal, and so made a concious choice to break the law.

Part of respecting other countries as equals is accepting the fact they have the right to their own laws. My views may be formed in reaction to the knee jerk another commentator mentioned. It used to be that every story like this was met with how dare foreign johnnies arrest one of ours.

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2152475/Bali-drug-arrests-Grim-threat-facing-accused-Britons-Rachel-Dougall-Julian-Ponder.html

Anyone else feel the ground shaking from all the hang'em/flog'ems masturbating furiously to this? Read it with an M&S advert 'this isn't just execution by firing squad...' voice.

I think it's funny... but then I think Dave might have a vote.

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Yes, that's why I objected so much to the initial coverage, as it just fuels and feeds their sick blood-lust. They've been softening the readership up all year for this, with appallingly handled stories on China's death row, and other serious unpleasantry in Africa etc., all with plenty of green arrows from the kind of people who must've gleefully volunteered for einsatzgruppen duty in the early '40s.

If you look on mumsnet, you can see the written out thoughts of real British women claiming they've become clinically distressed after reading these lurid reports on Mail Online. Better stick to the 'coffee break' with pretty frocks and summer salads next time, as the heart of this website is pure, vicious darkness.

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"...now, with a most inhuman cruelty, they who have put out the people’s eyes, reproach them of their blindness..."

Prohibition can only work if it meets the conditions of two premises:
1. The prohibited drugs are very dangerous and addictive, and the actions taken to prohibit them do less harm than good.
2. Prohibition makes a significant reduction in the use of drugs.
In the UK, based on these premises, prohibition has failed, cocaine funds violent Mexican cartels and is available just about anywhere, whilst cannabis can be grown by anyone, anywhere, and is very easy to find - underage teenagers may find it easier to get hold of weed than booze.
Whilst the laws in Indonesia are very draconian and extreme, as I believe that the death penalty can only ever be justified in Breivik style cases where a massacre has been carried out, and there is not even the slightest chance that the wrong person is going to be executed, I do not find much sympathy for the people who got caught with it as they knew exactly what they were getting themselves into.

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Totally unacceptable even then. Interesting that you cite the Breivik case, since

a) If Norway were to disregard its penal code and have Breivik executed, that would represent a quite appalling retrograde step for Norwegian society. It would literally be of no benefit to anyone (save Breivik himself). The efficient and gentle diginity with which the Norwegians are dealing with Breivik is infinitely preferable.

b) As touched on above, Breivik himself has avowed that he desires execution. The last thing he wants is to spend the rest of his natural imprisoned. Which is precisely why it's right that that is the punishment he will almost certainly receive.

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I'm a nasty, violent lefty. You cunt.

Yes, all of that.

The Rabbis tell us that he who kills a man kills the whole world. That's a bit gnomic, but it tends to the meaning that it is the act of killing which is the sin, not the number killed, the sin does not increase in size with the number of deaths because it is already infinite.

I'm not in favour of executing him for the reasons you cite above. I was only saying that it could be justifiable to execute someone like him.

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"We were only following orders" - Atos.

But Abers is saying that it could never be justified.

I agree, do you know the social philosophy problem of the Mexican fiesta?

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Explain it to me.

You ride into a town in pre revolutionary mexico, it is fiesta day. When the mayor discovers you are English he is delighted, a massive anglophile he declares you the guest of honour. He explains there are 10 native Mexicans they were going to execute that day as part of the fiesta, however he will let 9 be pardoned, if you shoot the one remaining...

Do you shoot the one to free the others, or refuse and see all 10 killed, but not by you...

Any historical innacuracies can be blamed on my Ethics tutor, he wasn't an historian.

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