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 Post subject: Re: We're All In This Together?
PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 7:40 am 
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Don't forget Cameron's pledge for a New Politics c2010. Putting expenses sleaze behind them...

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Transparent government. To be fair, people are starting to see though them.

I'm just waiting for the Olympic Legacy to reveal its' true cost and getting dubbed 'All Labour's Fault'. Maybe one to put on standby for the Omnishambles U-turn list.

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'Greenest government ever', that's my personal favourite


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Wonder if he regrets making such videos.

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 Post subject: Re: We're All In This Together?
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Another revealing insight into the mind of a Tory cunt. No amount of cajolery, and no attempts at ethical or social seduction...

http://politicalscrapbook.net/2012/06/t ... se-prices/

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A Tory councillor on Surrey’s health committee has called for seriously ill people to be forced out of the county. John Butcher has suggested those with “self-inflicted morbidity” should be “encouraged” to “move away from Surrey” – in the name of pushing up house prices.

Butcher wants groups such as smokers — referred to as the “self-inflicted” — to be offered slower NHS treatment so that they will be forced to move:

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“This factor would attract more ‘other’ patients to come to live in Surrey – and that would push up house prices here.”


Just when you thought it couldn’t get any more sick, he ventures that this would benefit the Tories in elections:

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“any political party that seeks to pander to the needs of the self-inflicted unhealthy, and to win their votes, will suffer twofold … mortality will ensure that its voters will be much fewer in number than the ‘others’”



Councillor Butcher’s email, which went round Surrey Council like wildfire before being leaked, is reproduced in full below:

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1 Please pass on my apology for absence from the Surrey HOSC meeting on 24 May 2012, but I have a hospital appointment that day, and it has already been postponed once.

2 Because of the economic catastrophe facing the capitalist world, the NHS, that is a Marxist organisation, is bound to fail – like Greece.

The government’s efforts to ‘improve’ it are merely a postponement of that failure, which will arise from ever-increasing demand for, and the unit costs of, healthcare and the ever-decreasing national wealth available to afford those demands and costs, through taxation or otherwise.

Politicians who support the diversion of increasingly scarce fiscal resources into propping up the NHS, without taking measures to curb demand, not only accelerate its eventual demise but allow more important demands on the public purse to go unmet, with serious adverse consequences to the people. It will be the people who suffer from the collapse of the NHS – but they will have only themselves to blame – for voting in politicians who promise to improve the NHS regardless of other factors.

3 One way of saving the NHS is to encourage patients to take very much more care of themselves, with penalties on those who won’t do that. If the NHS in Surrey were to be run on the basis that patients with self-inflicted morbidity (mainly – smoking, alcohol, narcotics, obesity) and injury (dangerous activities) are, following due warning, placed in a much slower-moving queue for healthcare than ‘other’ patients, this would encourage the self-inflicted to move away from Surrey, to areas where there is no differentiation between patients on the grounds of their contribution towards their condition.

And it would deter the self-inflicted from coming to live in Surrey. Over time, that would result in the healthcare for the ‘other’ patients in Surrey being significantly better than the average national level for all patients, as the resources deployed to the self-inflicted would be very much reduced.

This factor would attract more ‘other’ patients to come to live in Surrey – and that would push up house prices here – assuming that planning controls remain similar to now.

4 Eventually the self-inflicted patients would end up living in ‘equality’ areas that are dominated by politicians who pander to their needs, thus driving more ‘other’ patients out of those areas, as healthcare there will be badly affected by the over-dominance of the self-inflicted.

These ‘other’ patients would move into areas, such as, hopefully, Surrey, where ‘other’ patients are not nearly so adversely affected. Eventually the country will be sharply divided into two types of area:

4.1 the ‘equality’ ones, where the self-inflicted unhealthy are treated the same as all patients, and 4.2 the ‘others’, such as, hopefully, Surrey.


Average life expectancy will be substantially lower (by, say, 20 years) in the ‘equality’ areas than in the ‘others’. This may mean that ‘other’ patients moving out of ‘equality’ areas may have to live in a less desirable dwelling, because of house price differentials, but that is a trade-off, that they can choose, with healthcare differentials between the two types of area.

Such house price differentials already apply for schooling, with houses on one side of a catchment boundary being worth a lot more than houses on the other side of it.

Indeed, the perception that the gap in those prices between those two types of healthcare area will grow substantially will encourage the ‘other’ patients in those ‘equality’ areas to move out of them sooner, lest they see their dwelling there becoming worthless.

5 Thus, any political party that seeks to pander to the needs of the self-inflicted unhealthy, and to win their votes, will suffer twofold: 5.1 mortality will ensure that its voters will be much fewer in number than the ‘others’, and

5.2 by concentrating its voters into particular areas, that party will never be able to win enough seats to dominate Parliament.


Regards John Butcher


I don't know whether it would count as 'self-inflicted' if someone turned up on this cunt's doorstep and kicked fuck out of him.

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 Post subject: Re: We're All In This Together?
PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 8:04 pm 
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the diversion of increasingly scarce fiscal resources into propping up the NHS, without taking measures to curb demand


There are loads of ideas around about how to curb demand. Unfortunately, clowns like Councillor Butcher and his soulmates in the press go "ooh, nanny state!" when they're discussed.


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 Post subject: Re: We're All In This Together?
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the diversion of increasingly scarce fiscal resources into propping up the NHS, without taking measures to curb demand


There are loads of ideas around about how to curb demand. Unfortunately, clowns like Councillor Butcher and his soulmates in the press go "ooh, nanny state!" when they're discussed.


And ....

If capitalism's so freakin sweet, then why are the financial resources becoming increasingly scarce?


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 Post subject: Re: We're All In This Together?
PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 9:23 pm 
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"Self-inflicted"

So where do we draw the line? Everything that the Daily M**l says causes cancer? Any activity that could result in an injury? People who drink more alcohol than the recommended unit limits per week?

The best performing health systems in the world are in those countries where there is equal access to at least a good standard of care for every citizen. Apart from a few libertarian loony tunes, almost everyone understands this.

I reckon Mr. Butcher has self-inflicted his own resignation.

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 Post subject: Re: We're All In This Together?
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Warsi in trouble again. The Telegraph accuses her of not declaring her interest in a spice controlling stake in a spice manufacturing firm.

Oh, and taking her business partner on official trips. He being a member of Hizb ut Tahrir.

I'd take that over Atlantic Bridge, but it doesn't look very good.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politic ... iness.html

Promotion for Michael Fallon soon, methinks.

And another Cameron personal pick coming unstuck.


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This is the sort of nest-feathering that usually doesn't come to light until at least a second term.


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 Post subject: Re: We're All In This Together?
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Can she be removed from the Lords and £300/day for life, plus gold plated pension etc, etc?


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 Post subject: Re: We're All In This Together?
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Can she be removed from the Lords and £300/day for life, plus gold plated pension etc, etc?


If Jeffrey Archer couldn't, I don't suppose she can.


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 Post subject: Re: We're All In This Together?
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Unemployed bussed in to steward river pageant
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A group of long-term unemployed jobseekers were bussed into London to work as unpaid stewards during the diamond jubilee celebrations and told to sleep under London Bridge before working on the river pageant.

Up to 30 jobseekers and another 50 people on apprentice wages were taken to London by coach from Bristol, Bath and Plymouth as part of the government's Work Programme.

Two jobseekers, who did not want to be identified in case they lost their benefits, said they had to camp under London Bridge the night before the pageant. They told the Guardian they had to change into security gear in public, had no access to toilets for 24 hours, and were taken to a swampy campsite outside London after working a 14-hour shift in the pouring rain on the banks of the Thames on Sunday.

One young worker said she was on duty between London Bridge and Tower Bridge during the £12m river spectacle of a 1,000-boat flotilla and members of the Royal family sail by . She said that the security firm Close Protection UK, which won a stewarding contract for the jubilee events, gave her a plastic see-through poncho and a high-visibility jacket for protection against the rain.

Close Protection UK confirmed that it was using up to 30 unpaid staff and 50 apprentices, who were paid £2.80 an hour, for the three-day event in London. A spokesman said the unpaid work was a trial for paid roles at the Olympics, which it had also won a contract to staff. Unpaid staff were expected to work two days out of the three-day holiday.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/jun/0 ... unemployed

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Dave's Big Society in action. Bastards.

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Sometimes you think nothing could make you any angrier. Then you read things like that.


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