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Would you vote for the LibDems again next time around?
Yes 8%  8%  [ 6 ]
No 58%  58%  [ 43 ]
Probably 5%  5%  [ 4 ]
Probably not 28%  28%  [ 21 ]
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She's also been banging on about how awful it was that protesters held a street party outside Clegg's house (even though he wasn't there). Forgetting that the people who started the protests (nasty ones) outside MPs houses were the Countryside Alliance. One of the most prominent supporters of which was, ummm, Louise Mensch...


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 Post subject: Re: LibDem voters - will you vote for them again?
PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 7:05 pm 
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Looks like the Lib Dems remain well on course to self-destruct by 2015.

Lib Dems suffer plunge in party membership

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One in five members of the Liberal Democrats quit the party last year, with the worst losses in constituencies represented by government ministers, as disaffected activists walked out in protest at the coalition.

An investigation by The Independent on Sunday reveals the Lib Dems' collapse in support in the polls has been matched by a desertion of thousands of members. The exodus – far worse than the usual post-election drop-off – threatens to undermine the party's support base. Officials in one minister's constituency reported "members and supporters not being willing to campaign for the party".

The loss of thousands of members will leave a hole in the party's finances. To join the Lib Dems costs a minimum of £12 a year, or £6 for students, under-25s and those on benefits. The financial accounts of all local parties with an income of more than £25,000 paint a grim picture for the Lib Dems.

Membership of the Scottish Liberal Democrats has shrunk by 26 per cent. Craig Harrow, convenor of the party, said campaign teams were "devastated" by last year's results in the Holyrood elections, with MSPs "swept from office on a tsunami for the SNP".

The trebling of university tuition fees to £9,000 appears to have hit the party particularly hard, with Liberal Youth, the party's student wing, seeing more than half its 6,000 members quit in 2011.

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 Post subject: Re: LibDem voters - will you vote for them again?
PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 9:08 pm 
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Ed Davey (following on from Chris Huhne) will get them back:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2 ... f-comments

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In one leaked document, from the Council of the EU on the draft 2050 proposals on energy, the UK has attempted to excise a reference to a potential 30% target for renewables by 2030, replacing it with the far more vague wording of "a significantly increased share for renewable in the energy mix". At another point in the document, which is dated 23 April 2012, the UK has tried to remove the word "urgent".

The document shows that Davey, a Liberal Democrat, has opposed a new EU target on renewable energy since taking office in early February. A previous document showing attempts by the government to water down the EU renewable energy target – revealed by the Guardian in March – was largely prepared under his predecessor, Chris Huhne.


I can the point that some people reckon the target could be a bit tough. But in that case reduce it slightly- don't make it voluntary or vague. No-one will invest because they rightly realise you don't give a shit.


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 Post subject: Re: LibDem voters - will you vote for them again?
PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 9:37 pm 
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Rarely mentioned now, surely for his party Cleg's big miss also was the fudge on the Lib Dem Holy Grail, Not just electoral reform , but proportional Representation. The Referendum on the Alternative Vote was not PR but it surely kicked PR into touch for possibly another generation unless they can somehow persuade a future stranded minority labour Govt to take it up but like turkeys voting for xmas, parties in office with first past the post are of course unlikely to want to to radically change the system that got them there.

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Senior Liberal Democrats in secret talks with Labour
Nick Clegg has suffered a fresh headache after it emerged that senior Liberal Democrats are holding secret talks with Labour with a view to closer co-operation between the two parties in the future.


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Vince Cable, the Business Secretary, and Sir Menzies Campbell, the former Lib Dem leader, are among those said to be in contact with members of Ed Miliband's inner circle.
The talks are said to be "informal" and to take place on "different levels". One Labour source revealed Mr Cable and Mr Miliband spoke regularly by telephone, buts sources close to the Business Secretary did not confirm this.
The aim of the discussions is to find "common ground" between the two parties so that, if the next general election results in a hung parliament, they are are able to form a "progressive" coalition which would see the Lib Dems turn their back on David Cameron and the Conservatives.
Specific policy areas are discussed - including House of Lords reform. Many Lib Dems are furious that David Cameron appears to be booting the issue into the long grass.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politic ... abour.html


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 Post subject: Re: LibDem voters - will you vote for them again?
PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 9:40 pm 
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Tubby Isaacs wrote:
Ed Davey (following on from Chris Huhne) will get them back:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2 ... f-comments

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In one leaked document, from the Council of the EU on the draft 2050 proposals on energy, the UK has attempted to excise a reference to a potential 30% target for renewables by 2030, replacing it with the far more vague wording of "a significantly increased share for renewable in the energy mix". At another point in the document, which is dated 23 April 2012, the UK has tried to remove the word "urgent".

The document shows that Davey, a Liberal Democrat, has opposed a new EU target on renewable energy since taking office in early February. A previous document showing attempts by the government to water down the EU renewable energy target – revealed by the Guardian in March – was largely prepared under his predecessor, Chris Huhne.


I can the point that some people reckon the target could be a bit tough. But in that case reduce it slightly- don't make it voluntary or vague. No-one will invest because they rightly realise you don't give a shit.


The coalition's head-in-sand approach to energy is pretty depressing when you look at the kind of ambition being shown by Germany at the moment. Is there anything the Liberals can't fuck up?

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German solar power plants produced a world record 22 gigawatts of electricity – equal to 20 nuclear power stations at full capacity – through the midday hours of Friday and Saturday, the head of a renewable energy think tank has said.

Germany's government decided to abandon nuclear power after the Fukushima nuclear disaster last year, closing eight plants immediately and shutting down the remaining nine by 2022. They will be replaced by renewable energy sources such as wind, solar and bio-mass.

Norbert Allnoch, director of the Institute of the Renewable Energy Industry in Muenster, said the 22 gigawatts of solar power fed into the national grid on Saturday met nearly 50% of the nation's midday electricity needs.

"Never before anywhere has a country produced as much photovoltaic electricity," Allnoch told Reuters. "Germany came close to the 20 gigawatt mark a few times in recent weeks. But this was the first time we made it over."

The record-breaking amount of solar power shows one of the world's leading industrial nations was able to meet a third of its electricity needs on a work day, Friday, and nearly half on Saturday when factories and offices were closed.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2 ... rd-germany

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 Post subject: Re: LibDem voters - will you vote for them again?
PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 9:45 pm 
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You mean our privatised electricity firms haven't been doing anything like that?

Some very impressive windpower stats in Schlegwig Holstein too.


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 Post subject: Re: LibDem voters - will you vote for them again?
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Rarely mentioned now, surely for his party Cleg's big miss also was the fudge on the Lib Dem Holy Grail, Not just electoral reform , but proportional Representation. The Referendum on the Alternative Vote was not PR but it surely kicked PR into touch for possibly another generation unless they can somehow persuade a future stranded minority labour Govt to take it up but like turkeys voting for xmas, parties in office with first past the post are of course unlikely to want to to radically change the system that got them there.


I voted for AV but in reality it would only have been a minor improvement on FPTP, so I wasn't exactly devastated when the referendum ended up being lost. The fact that even Clegg considered AV a 'miserable little compromise' when Gordon Brown was the one offering it says it all, really. Even a PR-elected House of Lords wouldn't be much consolation for the Liberals if they continue to poll in single figures. Mind you, it looks like Clegg's going to fuck that up as well. The Lib Dems' existence as a single party beyond 2015 isn't guaranteed at this stage. Their next leader (presumably Farron) isn't going to have much of a party left to inherit.

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 Post subject: Re: LibDem voters - will you vote for them again?
PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 9:55 pm 
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The fact that even Clegg considered AV a 'miserable little compromise' when Gordon Brown was the one offering it says it all, really.


Ah, but that was before the election.

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 Post subject: Re: LibDem voters - will you vote for them again?
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Patrick100 wrote:
Rarely mentioned now, surely for his party Cleg's big miss also was the fudge on the Lib Dem Holy Grail, Not just electoral reform , but proportional Representation. The Referendum on the Alternative Vote was not PR but it surely kicked PR into touch for possibly another generation unless they can somehow persuade a future stranded minority labour Govt to take it up but like turkeys voting for xmas, parties in office with first past the post are of course unlikely to want to to radically change the system that got them there.


I voted for AV but in reality it would only have been a minor improvement on FPTP, so I wasn't exactly devastated when the referendum ended up being lost. The fact that even Clegg considered AV a 'miserable little compromise' when Gordon Brown was the one offering it says it all, really. Even a PR-elected House of Lords wouldn't be much consolation for the Liberals if they continue to poll in single figures. Mind you, it looks like Clegg's going to fuck that up as well. The Lib Dems' existence as a single party beyond 2015 isn't guaranteed at this stage. Their next leader (presumably Farron) isn't going to have much of a party left to inherit.



Oh yes, the miserable little compromise, Yeah, also seems after all these years of waiting, the Lib Dems wil have been left with a legacy of all of the disadvantages of being in Govt (eg blame for difficult or unpopular decisions/association with recession etc ) and none of the advantages.Alienating their own natural supporters and potential supporters in the process. Even though Clegg et al may try to point to aspects of lib dem policy//manifesto that have been implemented , not many voters are going to be very forgiving for that I suspect, even if they can recall what those policies were.


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Simon Hughes was on that 3 minute political slot just after the Channel 4 news earlier claiming that the Lib Dems had created more apprenticeships than Alan bloody Sugar.

Obvious, blatant, lies. But more to the point, lies that NAEBODY will now believe a word of.

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Tubby Isaacs wrote:
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The fact that even Clegg considered AV a 'miserable little compromise' when Gordon Brown was the one offering it says it all, really.


Ah, but that was before the election.

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Clegg really has been exposed as a total rank amateur over the last two years. He must have the worst judgment of just about anyone in British politics. Time for him to make way for a heavyweight with real gravitas. Step forward, Lembit Opik.



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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 13556.html

Support for the lib dems falling away from inside the party. I truly do wonder what format they will exist in come the next election.


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Support for the lib dems falling away from inside the party. I truly do wonder what format they will exist in come the next election.


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 Post subject: Re: LibDem voters - will you vote for them again?
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The Fibs are revolting - sort of.

The growing Lib Dem revolt against Clegg

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When Lembit Opik suggested that Nick Clegg should resign as Liberal Democrat leader before the next election he was dismissed as a lone maverick. But it transpires that a sizeable chunk of Lib Dem members agree with him. A new survey by Liberal Democrat Voice of 560 members shows that 34 per cent believe Clegg "should be replaced" as party leader before the 2015 election.


It's worth bearing in mind that Lib Dem Voice isn't exactly a hotbed of radical dissent, either.

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