The Sun ran the story on their web page but they ran two versions of the story, in one version they mentioned the £100 a week probation and in the other version they didn't mention it unsurprisingly the comments to each article were totally different.

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I'm not even convinced that HMRC would see it as genuine self-employment. Not when the duties are exactly the same as those performed by the PAYE employees (if any).

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It'd be an interesting situation to run a test case.

NuLabour bought in the IR35 regulations to combat people who were de-facto employees running their income through a limited company and thus avoiding PAYE.
These were the typical high earner who can offord a bit of accountat's time.
IR35 was strongly challenged in court, and case law (Is that the right name for the basis of previous judgements) provided a definition that was possible to avoid with a bit of assistance from the "Customer/Employer" - Specific wordings in the contact, breaks of service (Holidays), substitution during quiet times, ensuring the subject's timesheets is booked to project codes, subject carrying professional liability insurance..
In spite of its porous nature IR35 exists.

The new bogus self employment is rather different.
Employees are typically low skilled on poor or no wages.
The boss enforces self-employment as a way to avoid minimum wage, NI, holidays and employers insurance.
I'm pretty sure the boss offers the employee no advice on setting up a company, managing the income, insurance requirements or the need to submit accounts at year end.
We're probably looking at an informal cash-in-hand arrangement.

But (I'm extrapolating here based on an interview I attended)...
The employee will at some point have signed a waiver declaring that s/he is self-employed.
I had this shoved in my face when I booked in for interview, and insisted on reading the detail.
The fact that I decided to read it had them preparing to forcibly eject me - more of that if we ever open a thread on political violence.
I politely declined and left the building - closely shadowed.

The gist of the waiver is that the employee assures that s/he is self employed, responsibility for maintaining legal status rests entirely with the employee.
It's in effect an indemnity for the employer.

This would probably be enough to get the employer off the hook on any IR35 prosecution.


I'd be extremely interested to know whether there's a method to outlaw this type of "employment".
The Mirror is campaigning strongly against it, but I can't imagine Dave and Gideon seeing anything wrong with the practice.
It would require another attempt to define a difference between employment and self employment.

Any solution seems to be to depend on abolishing the situation where a person can say "I am a person, now I'm a company, now I'm a person again".
I don't object to this, but realise it would screw up a lot of respectably paid people in technical 'craft' jobs.


Apologies as I've waffled again.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-213685 ... rugs.html#

I may have missed it, but nowhere in there does it say she's on benefits. But the comments are full of how she'll be living off the state, because Everyone Except Us does.

The article's quite clear that she has pretty substantial savings and her partner is in full time work. Unfortunately it makes this clear right at the end, long after most of the commenters will have stopped reading and started foaming at the mouth.

Might be a bit cynical, but you'll have seen this upsetting story. Five children under ten killed in blaze tragedy and there's the usual outpouring of readers' grief and prayers for the family and brave father.

However, the DM has some form when it comes to father - Mick Philpott gained much notoriety as "Shameless Mick", the parasitic work-shy dole-scrounger with fifteen, now seventeen, now eighteen kids by his wife, mistress and previous relationships. And the DM enjoyed putting the boot in previously. Checking the previous stories, and the masses of previous readers' comments have all gone. As a resident of Derby, I recall reading the old stories, and they were full of the usual DM Reader hatred. "Castrate the bugger" ... "worthless family" .... etc etc. Bit of a contrast from the current comments. Guess that's why the DM partially excised the old hate.

Not really sure why I'm babbling about this. Maybe it should be in Mail-vs-Non-Traditional Families, or Mail Hypocrisy, or whatever. I was just struck by the u-turn involved.

Sunday Edit - Pictures of local residents setting off chinese fire lanterns and lighting candles as a tribute. The irony...the irony.....

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I suspect the Mods are having to work quite hard fending off comments rejoicing in the fact that the father's benefit receipts will now go down. They're probably desperate for someone to be charged so they can stop allowing comments at all.

I was absolutely fuming when I saw that Cameron'd upped the age under which you could only receive the shared room rate of Housing Benefit from 25 to 35. I'm feeling well and truly sorry for the poor souls who're already up to their necks in tuition fees when I read this:

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When I worked for the Citizen's advice Bureau most of the young people I met who were living in private rental accommodation did so because either they had come out of care at 16 or they had moved out of home at 16 because they were being abused. If young people like these lose housing benefit where exactly does Cameron think they will live?

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On the streets or 40 to a room, like good little Victorian paupers.

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Screw the care leavers.
Screw kids form an abusive home.
Screw anybody from a jobs poor area who needs to relocate for a starter job.

How is this going to grow us out of recession?

Cameron's education (or at least that of many like him) teaches that getting bummed is part of the growing up process.
If it was good enough for him .....

If under-25s aren't getting on with mummy and daddy, they should just move into a cottage in the grounds, or ask Housekeeper to remove the dust sheets from one of the apartments in the east wing. We all know that daddy can be perfectly beastly sometimes, particularly if he's had a bad hunt and hit the sherry too early, but that's no excuse to go crying to the state for a handout.

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Once the peasants spreading onto the streets get to pest levels, we can just introduce peasant-hunting as a legal substitute for fox-hunting. Nobody'll miss a few feckless scroungers, right?

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More to the point, try getting registered to vote when homeless. Who is the MP for cardboard city again?

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Fifteen seconds... you can't breathe.

Twenty seconds... you give up and turn off the Jeremy Vine show.