The Daily Mail and rape

Arnold · **Posted:** Wed May 16, 2012 8:29 pm

I don't remember any comments, as is usual when a trial is in progress. Just the usual explanation that comments weren't allowed for legal reasons.

oboogie · **Posted:** Wed May 16, 2012 8:58 pm

Arnold wrote:

I don't remember any comments, as is usual when a trial is in progress. Just the usual explanation that comments weren't allowed for legal reasons.

There were comments on the original story on Monday.
I said yesterday, I meant Monday. :roll:

ezinra · **Posted:** Sat May 19, 2012 12:10 pm

The Mail continues to mine the Rochdale sex-gang case for stories. The angle on this one is interesting: not all the victims were from extremely troubled and vulnerable backgrounds (though it seems the vast majority of them were), one of them even qualifies as middle class and the Mail notes approvingly that her dad drives a BMW. The Mail is right to point out that the media's emphasis on the girls being in care and having behavioural difficulties represents, if not victim blaming, then at least a sort of collective shrug of the shoulders — there was nothing anyone could have done to protect these girls — or at best a blunt, impotent "it's the fault of social services, something should be done".

Alas, the Mail's objective is to smear a different group — Pakistani Muslims — by essentialising their 'culture' as being differently and uniquely disrespectful of women. It's probably true that rape culture can take a particular form among a particular ethnic-socio-economic group. But I still don't see how Pakistani men exploiting vulnerable white girls is fundamentally different from white sex tourism. The common denominator is men treating exotic women as subhuman.

The comments either swallow the Mail's line or find other people to blame:

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if parents kept a tighter reign on their kids, this wouldnt happen. I know where my girls are (12, 14 and 17) ALL the time because I take my head out of Facebook and Jeremy Kyle and run myself ragged to be there for all of them. Im mummy, chef, taxi driver, wardrobe censor, , homework helper, after school club co-ordinator, agony aunt, entertainment manager, friend and confident. Its a hard job....but thats parenting in 2012 for you!

- someoneneedstosayit, uk, 18/5/2012 22:29 Rating 80

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It's not middle class upbringing that will save this child but a true passion for Jesus in her life. That doesn't get taught. So despite all that sex education, parents teaching about making it in life, the most simple and basic foundation wasn't there. Those wanting to remain in darkness, you can red arrow now.

- MB, UK, 19/5/2012 1:21 Rating 2

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I am confused. I don't understand the 'forced' aspect of this when the girl was wilfully escaping from her home to take part in these activities and that she sometimes received money from the guys. I think there is definitely an aspect of victimisation here, but there also seems to be an element IN THIS CASE of some sort of compliance. It is too baffling to work out. All I know is, good girls don't hang out in kebab shops illegally drinking alcohol and consorting with older men. Just saying.

- Jingos, Australia, 19/5/2012 0:19 Rating 14

The odd one is worth green-arrowing, however:

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I find the description of a child as 'slim' and 'pretty' is very distasteful indeed. There is an insinuation there that I find grotesque.

- lols, newcastle, 19/5/2012 1:07 Rating 4

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The article says 'One girl slept with 20 men in a single evening'. What you mean was that one girl was RAPED by 20 men in a single evening. I couldn't bring myself to read the remainder of the article.

- Disgusted by this comment, UK, 19/5/2012 0:36 Rating 12

Malcolm Armsteen · **Posted:** Sat May 19, 2012 12:31 pm

There's a lot of 'whataboutery' there.

My own personal experience (based on two cases of sexual assault) is that there might be some substance to the charge that men from some parts of rural Pakistan might not be fully paid-up members of the equal society. As such that is an aspect which needs to be investigated - properly and not hidden by 'whataboutery' - and if found to exist, dealt with. If wrong it can be laid to rest.

It's hardly justice to the victims to disregard such a possibility out of hand by casual references to 'white sex tourism' which is about as far from these allegations as it gets.

Baroness Warsi may be a muppet, but she will have thought about what she said and taken advice from other Muslms. And there's not been a massive outcry from the Pakistani community. As the Imam at the Regents Park Mosque once said to me, these are often uneducated backwoodsmen, don't expect sophistication from them.

evol · **Joined:** Sat Oct 31, 2009 4:45 pm **Posts:** 65

ezinra wrote:

Amy Winehouse's boyfriend devastated after being arrested on suspicion of rape

No mention of how the alleged victim is feeling.

Insinuation that the accusation is dubious, voiced by "a friend", not challenged or balanced in the article; indeed, the language supports it:

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the claim, which one insisted had come out of the blue

A claim has quite different connotations from an accusation. Contrast that with Reg's friend, who went beyond merely claiming, s/he "insisted" on their point of view. Meanwhile, the woman did not make her claim, let alone insist on it: in fact, in the Mail's sentence she is totally detached from it. The claim "had come", of its own accord presumably, "out of the blue" — that's to say, from nowhere, from (a) nobody. The accuser is wiped out of the picture. We're not dealing with a human being here, with the possibility that a woman was raped by a man. No, we're dealing with words, claims, floating language. And in this case, Reg's friend uses his celebrity status to drum up sympathy for their side of the story ("Reg is devastated"), while the Mail obligingly uses the anonymity of the alleged victim against her, to dehumanise her, to make her into a nobody.

And now for a quick update...

He's been formally charged and taken to court.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -rape.html

Tubby Isaacs · **Posted:** Thu Jun 28, 2012 8:38 pm

I bet he's devastated.

sporran · **Joined:** Tue Nov 09, 2010 2:10 pm **Posts:** 1581

What do we think of this?

Sex-crazed Angelina Jolie lookalike 'forces taxi driver to have sex with her at knifepoint twice' - then stabs him when he refuses a third go around

The tone of this article seems completely wrong for a serious incident. Even for the Mail I couldn't see them filling up a story about a male rapist with several pictures comparing how they look compared to, say Brad Pitt.

Daley Mayle · **Posted:** Wed Aug 29, 2012 2:18 pm

It doesn't make clear where the incident took place. Gawd help us if The Mail have started trawling Romanian websites for news.

I remember my mate finding copies of Forum in hedgerows and they would be full of such stories about men being ravaged by sex starved women (and probably written by Al Campbell).

PaulOnBooks · **Joined:** Wed Mar 09, 2011 2:10 am **Posts:** 414

evol wrote:

ezinra wrote:

Amy Winehouse's boyfriend devastated after being arrested on suspicion of rape

No mention of how the alleged victim is feeling.

Insinuation that the accusation is dubious, voiced by "a friend", not challenged or balanced in the article; indeed, the language supports it:

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the claim, which one insisted had come out of the blue

A claim has quite different connotations from an accusation. Contrast that with Reg's friend, who went beyond merely claiming, s/he "insisted" on their point of view. Meanwhile, the woman did not make her claim, let alone insist on it: in fact, in the Mail's sentence she is totally detached from it. The claim "had come", of its own accord presumably, "out of the blue" — that's to say, from nowhere, from (a) nobody. The accuser is wiped out of the picture. We're not dealing with a human being here, with the possibility that a woman was raped by a man. No, we're dealing with words, claims, floating language. And in this case, Reg's friend uses his celebrity status to drum up sympathy for their side of the story ("Reg is devastated"), while the Mail obligingly uses the anonymity of the alleged victim against her, to dehumanise her, to make her into a nobody.

And now for a quick update...

He's been formally charged and taken to court.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -rape.html

He'll be doubly devastated now - two charges of rape. Not quite so easy to explain away.

Captain VXR · **Posted:** Wed Aug 29, 2012 4:50 pm

If the DM are against naming rape suspects, why have they named him? Hits come before morals.

Daley Mayle · **Posted:** Wed Aug 29, 2012 4:53 pm

Captain VXR wrote:

If the DM are against naming rape suspects, why have they named him? Hits come before morals.

He's Romanian. That makes him untermensch in The Mail's view.

Malcolm Armsteen · **Posted:** Wed Aug 29, 2012 5:01 pm

And very unlikely to sue.

ezinra · **Posted:** Tue Sep 18, 2012 3:43 pm

Woman who falsely claimed she was raped by three men because she regretted having sex with them jailed for two years

Five photos of the woman nicked from social media sites, so that readers can take their disapproval to the shed. Dogwhistle in action:

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This is at least the 23rd such story about women FALSELY claiming rape in the DM in the last year or so, One has to question every rape clames validity as it apperars crying rape is being used as just a tool by malicous women.

- Northern Raider, Durham, United Kingdom, 18/9/2012 14:03 Rating 53

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It happens much more often than we all think. While rape is a terrible crime, the laws used to prosecute it, places far too much power in the hands of vendictive, bitter and atrocious woman.

- Graf von Hessen, Munich, 18/9/2012 6:51 Rating 579

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At last, a judge with a brain. Every man's nightmare and may just make a woman think twice now.

- rocky, kuwait, 18/9/2012 13:57 Rating 19

Think twice about what? Reporting a rape? Great.

Daley Mayle · **Posted:** Tue Sep 18, 2012 4:15 pm

I don't think the original article had the onanistic material. In Red Arrow Corner there are lots of complaints as to why the woman's photo wasn't being published like what happens to men.

Thank the Lord for Facebook, eh?

Kreuzberger · **Posted:** Tue Sep 18, 2012 11:17 pm

Woohoo! It's Cry Rape Day in Derry Street

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... tment.html

Proof, lest there should be any doubt, that there is no such thing.

(Tomorrow: It's right chilly in Botswana and we all know what that means.)

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