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 Post subject: Re: Fetish for the armed forces
PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:39 pm 
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Well, yeah, the squaddies I met were usually great with me as they tended to be Cumbrian/Geordie and liked to hear a friendly civvie accent. A fair few times, once they heard I was student they asked if I had any weed on me and were disappointed when I replied in the negative.

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 Post subject: Re: Fetish for the armed forces
PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 11:42 pm 
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No comments? Strange...


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 Post subject: Re: Fetish for the armed forces
PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 10:10 am 
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The Sun has stated that the bar owner should be up in front of a judge.

The hard-of-thinking don't want to believe that this was a no-uniform issue and that the bar staff were unaware it was before a funeral, in which case, they would have been served. They want to believe there's a massive anti-army conspiracy because it validates their pointless outrage and they can keep winning their imaginary popularity contest by being seen to "support our troops" by boycotting a bar they haven't been to and are unlikely to ever go to.

There seems to be a goal afoot to cast people in the army as two different types of people. Lions, heroes and fearless warriors on the other hand but almost like small children who need the rest of the country to hold their hand, patronizingly pat them on the head and tell them how good they are while cursing the politicians who feed these helpless victims to the dogs.

I really do feel bad for a lot of people in the army. I get the impression that they must loathe this.


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 Post subject: Re: Fetish for the armed forces
PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 4:43 pm 
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They do. Especially the higher ranks.

There was a piece in the Times about a year or two ago, saying that top brass felt the current schizophrenic treatment of the armed forces (in particular the army) detracted from the work done, and skirted around the fact that the main purpose of an army is the sudden, explicit application of intense violence. Turning them into a cross between a team of superheroes and a school football team blinded people to the reality of what they did.

Also, many military people can give you chapter and verse on the dangers of too much soldier rimming.

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 Post subject: Re: Fetish for the armed forces
PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 1:05 pm 
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Right on cue, an ePetition has been started:

http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/31274

Ban Pubs and Clubs From Discriminating Against Armed Forces

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"Sorry mate you can't come in if your in the Armed Forces".

Is a phrase all too common across the nightlife scene in the UK.

Our Armed Forces have fought and died for our pub landlords to enjoy the liberty of even running a business in the UK.

It is an insult to our dead and those serving today who are willing to die in order to defend the liberty of running a pub/club that our pub/club landlords enjoy so much.

Discrimination against off duty service men and women purely based on the fact that they are serving members of HM Forces should be illegal.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 1:15 pm 
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I fought and died in two world wars so that you could get wankered at two-for-one night in Emotions Niteclub.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 1:25 pm 
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You got pissed up and refused entry, then went off crying that it was 'coz you was a squaddie, innit?

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 Post subject: Re: Fetish for the armed forces
PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 1:48 pm 
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Right on cue, an ePetition has been started:

http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/31274

Ban Pubs and Clubs From Discriminating Against Armed Forces

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"Sorry mate you can't come in if your in the Armed Forces".

Is a phrase all too common across the nightlife scene in the UK.

Our Armed Forces have fought and died for our pub landlords to enjoy the liberty of even running a business in the UK.

It is an insult to our dead and those serving today who are willing to die in order to defend the liberty of running a pub/club that our pub/club landlords enjoy so much.

Discrimination against off duty service men and women purely based on the fact that they are serving members of HM Forces should be illegal.

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 Post subject: Re: Fetish for the armed forces
PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 2:39 pm 
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This kind of thing may have something to do with why some pubs are reluctant to serve soldiers.
The moment two soldiers batter Marines leaving one blinded in one eye in unprovoked attack

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z1zBnEnIkT

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 Post subject: Re: Fetish for the armed forces
PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 10:54 pm 
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oboogie wrote:
This kind of thing may have something to do with why some pubs are reluctant to serve soldiers.
The moment two soldiers batter Marines leaving one blinded in one eye in unprovoked attack

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z1zBnEnIkT


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And that's a good answer to the idiots that think National Service should be brought back. There are more fights and assaults in garrison towns than many other places. Just being a soldier doesn't automatically make one a hero - that has to be earned by some great deed. Many soldiers are little more than thugs and enjoy the thrill of the fight.
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 Post subject: Re: Fetish for the armed forces
PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 11:29 am 
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Good Lord, what a terrible idea. Surprised the Mail haven't picked it up yet.

Labour wants to set up military schools
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A military school could be set up in every region of England under Labour to raise aspirations in poor areas.

Shadow education secretary Stephen Twigg wants to see the armed forces and service charities helping to run so-called "service schools".

These would have a "distinct service ethos" and would employ qualified teachers, some with a forces background.

An aide said the idea was more about leadership skills than boot camps.

Mr Twigg says: "The armed forces can make important contributions to the nation not just on the battlefield but by embedding standards and values they embody within our social fabric.

"One way this can be achieved is through educational provision."
Cadet forces

He said creating a "service ethos" in schools would emphasise "the importance of character formation and high ethical standards and values, as well as greater focus on advanced vocational skills.

"Ex-service personnel can act as excellent role models for young people."

As part of its education policy review, Labour is looking at how it could establish a network of what it is calling "service schools" within existing or new schools around England.

It says if it comes to power it will establish one of these schools in each region of the country with a particular focus on "communities with the greatest social and economic need".

The involvement could be as sponsors of academies or by working closely with more traditional models of state schools.

Mr Twigg also wants to encourage Ministry of Defence-run cadet forces to work with schools to offer extra-curricular activities.

The cadet experience can engender a "sense of responsibility and citizenship", combining fun and companionship, he said.
Troops in class

"We want to spread this throughout all schools, while promoting lasting links between pupils from different backgrounds through their cadet experience," he added.

The idea of involving the armed forces in children's education is not new.

The Troops to Teachers programme, which aims to bring former service personnel into the classroom, won vocal support from the Conservative Party.

And former servicemen and women are now being offered sponsorship to retrain as teachers by the government.

Labour's idea is based on research by think-tank ResPublica entitled, Military Academies: Tackling disadvantage, improving ethos and changing outcomes.

It argues that military-style academies would open up new opportunities for those lacking hope and aspiration.

It says this new model of schooling offers "one policy solution to the social ills that became manifest at the time of the riots in summer 2011".

It highlights the fact that two-thirds of those who are known to have taken part in the riots were classed as having some form of special educational need and more than a third had been excluded from school during 2009-10.

It adds: "They would change the cultural and moral outlook of those currently engulfed by hopelessness and cynicism."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-18770387
Maybe policies of job creation and a sense of persecution for being young might stop the hopelessness and cynicism a little. I can't think of a worse role model for teaching. Are they stuck in the 1950s?

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 Post subject: Re: Fetish for the armed forces
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Rioters with weapons training and tactical awareness. Brilliant!

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 Post subject: Re: Fetish for the armed forces
PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 1:15 pm 
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I have no problem with the army running a cadet service provided the members choose to be there.
I have no problem with retired soldiers completing a full program of training to become a teacher.
The army already offers a discharge package that includes a training component, so this is simply one facet.

I strongly object where school provision to an area being provided with some mandatory militarised tie-in.
I also object to any moves to reduce the training requirements for teachers who have come form the battlefield.


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 Post subject: Re: Fetish for the armed forces
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Gawd, is Twigg trying to out-Gove Gove for stupid Mail-pleasing education initiatives?


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 Post subject: Re: Fetish for the armed forces
PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 10:37 pm 
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Fozzy wrote:
Gawd, is Twigg trying to out-Gove Gove for stupid Mail-pleasing education initiatives?


We must be a hive mind, those were my exact words to Mr S this evening.

Spooky...


Labour really need to stop giving Gove such an easy ride.


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