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 Post subject: 2011 Census Data
PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 12:40 am 
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The first slices of data are being released and surprise surprise the numbers show that the population of England and Wales has grown in the last ten years by about 7% to 56.1 million (Scotland's stats have not yet been released). More than half of this increase is said to be down to a net increase in inward migration over emigration.

DM dog-whistle stats include :

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More than half the population growth has been driven by immigration, with two thirds of immigrants coming from non-EU countries.

England is now the third most densely populated country in the EU, behind only Malta and the Netherlands. In London, population density levels are 16 times higher than in the rest of the country.
(Daily Torygraph).

The execrable Frank Field has staked his claim to the title of the Enoch Powell de nos jours :

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Frank Field, the former Labour minister, said the surging population should now be treated as a “state of emergency” with tough measures to rein in student visas and people bringing family members from abroad.

“This is not so much a wake up call, it is almost time for the firing squad for politicians who have allowed this to happen,” he said. He accused his own party of lacking “humility” over its role in allowing immigration to go unchecked but also accused the Coalition of failing to do enough.

“It will be no comfort to the voters to be able to say 'we told you so’,” he said.


And of course, Migration Watch has wheeled out Sir Andrew Green to run through his usual mantras.

I haven't even looked at the Daily Mail or Express yet. I know what will be there.

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 Post subject: Re: 2011 Census Data
PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 10:45 am 
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Almost all of the exceptional growth is concentrated in London, east Anglia, and a tiny number of booming provincial towns (Manchester, Milton Keynes, Swindon).

The south east is certainly becoming more densely populated, but unemployment is still below average. The rest of England and Wales is growing at traditional rates, mainly because people are living longer. Last weekend I spent time in Wiltshire (9% growth since 2001), and I can assure you that if the extra population is made up of immigrants, they've done a remarkable job of integrating. Some must even have learnt to tut-tut as they read the Daily Mail, and how to steer a conversation into an unrelated rant about immigration.


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 Post subject: Re: 2011 Census Data
PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 10:58 am 
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The official websites are
http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/guide-method/ ... index.html England and Wales.
http://www.scotlandscensus.gov.uk/en/ Scotland (First results due December)

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 Post subject: Re: 2011 Census Data
PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 11:15 am 
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Immigration is the cause of 16.4% of population in England & Wales being over 65 clearly.

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 Post subject: Re: 2011 Census Data
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Up 7% also in Northern Ireland with proportional increases of those at pension age and a decrease of those under 16 since 2001.

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 Post subject: Re: 2011 Census Data
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Tower Hamlets has the highest rise- 26%.

No doubt it'll be assumed the new residents are all Bangladeshi. Because of course an area next to the City and including Canary Wharf, with loads of art galleries everywhere would never attract well-off white people, or high end property developers.


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 Post subject: Re: 2011 Census Data
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In London, population density levels are 16 times higher than in the rest of the country.


Shit. Capital city has lots of people in it.


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 Post subject: Re: 2011 Census Data
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Just wait until they release the data about ethnicity and religion.


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 Post subject: Re: 2011 Census Data
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My local radio station did a phone in on the the lines of 'The country is overcrowded so who should we throw out'. Whilst most people phoned in with light hearted responses about traffic wardens etc there were quite a few ranting on about all the 'foreigners who just come over here to claim benefits'. Sadly the bloke conducting the phone in was so clueless that he failed to challenge some of the Mailite dross that was being spouted.

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 Post subject: Re: 2011 Census Data
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satnav wrote:
My local radio station did a phone in on the the lines of 'The country is overcrowded so who should we throw out'. Whilst most people phoned in with light hearted responses about traffic wardens etc there were quite a few ranting on about all the 'foreigners who just come over here to claim benefits'. Sadly the bloke conducting the phone in was so clueless that he failed to challenge some of the Mailite dross that was being spouted.


They never, ever, do. I know a local radio DJ who used to be reasonably liberal until his show became a phone-in. He could now rival Littlejohn.


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 Post subject: Re: 2011 Census Data
PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 3:17 pm 
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The article presents statistics on actual household income and expenditure per head, which are calculated using data on in kind benefits from the state and the mid year population as the denominator.

The analysis investigated the drivers of the fall in both series and concluded that the main reason was because of inflation. The second driver mentioned was weakened growth in actual household incomes on a current price basis. Finally, the article made the point that population growth over the period led to reduced growth in the per head series. The article states "Finally, sustained population growth led to incomes being spread across a greater number of people, and therefore further reduced the growth of actual income per head over the period."

This was intended only as an arithmetic proposition, given that population is the denominator of the income per head series. To avoid possible confusion, ONS would like to clarify that the above statement did not intend to infer a conclusion on any causal link between average income and population growth.

http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/media-centre/ ... index.html

So, the ONS have withdrawn their claim population growth (including immigration) caused falling incomes.

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Yesterday the ONS published a report showing average disposable incomes at their lowest level since 2003. This is difficult news for ministers: as Isabel pointed out, concerns about the cost of living – stagnant wages and rising prices – are one of the main reasons given by voters in recent polls for turning away from the Conservatives.

Imagine, then, how pleased ministers must have been when they saw that the ONS had thrown them a lifeline: the chance to blame it all on immigration. The ONS report discusses the effects of wages and prices, and then adds that ‘finally, sustained population growth led to incomes being spread across a greater number of people, and therefore further reduced the growth of actual income per head over the period’. Quick as a flash, the Immigration Minister Damian Green put out a statement saying that ‘ONS have today confirmed that the population growth caused by Labour’s uncontrolled immigration has reduced incomes’.

Let us leave on one side Green’s substitution of ‘reduced the growth of incomes’ with ‘reduced incomes’, and his conflation of population growth with immigration (on which see here). The bigger problem is with the ONS’ claim that ‘population growth… reduced the growth of income per head’. There appears to be no evidence for this claim in the report, nor can I think of any evidence in anything the ONS has published previously. In the absence of any evidence, we can only conclude that the ONS has committed the elementary statistical fallacy of conflating ‘X rose and Y fell’ with ‘X caused Y to fall’.

What the data actually tells us, is that if we compare 2012 with 2003, the population is higher, and income per head is lower. This is consistent with population growth having reduced income per head; but it is also consistent with the opposite, that population growth increased income per head – but was outweighed by other factors.

Perhaps our statistician friends were confused by the rather different idea that, in a hypothetical scenario, if we assume a fixed level of national income, then increasing the population will reduce income per head. This is a claim which does not require any evidence: it is a matter of definition. But it is not the same thing, at all, as the empirical claim that the real world phenomenon of population growth – an actual phenomenon involving real factors like immigration, increased fertility, and increased longevity – has caused the real world phenomenon of falling real incomes. That is a claim which very definitely does require evidence.

Some readers will find this so obvious as to be hardly worth saying. But it seems that participants in the immigration debate do need continually reminding that to show that ‘X caused Y’ – that immigration caused youth unemployment, for example – you must first show that the two variables are genuinely rather than accidentally correlated (which involves testing the relationship, controlling for other variables, etc) and second, provide a plausible causal relationship to explain the correlation.

Consider one of the other elements of population growth in the last decade, namely, longevity. Studies have found a genuine correlation between longevity and income per head, over many decades and many countries: not the negative correlation you might expect if you spent too much time listening to the modern-day Malthusians (whose reaction to the Census seemed to imply that people living longer was an intolerable burden on society), but a positive one. Of course, only a fool would conclude from this that ‘rising longevity increased income per head’: it is far more plausible that the causation – if there is any – is the other way around.

In the case of immigration and income per head, various studies have attempted to establish a genuine correlation. For what it is worth, the most recent major international study suggests that there is a correlation: again, it is positive rather than negative. Various hypotheses have been put forward about a possible causal relationship. The opponents of immigration may find this study, and these hypotheses, unconvincing: they are entitled to that position. But they must accept that it is not enough simply to say that immigration rose and incomes fell over the same period, and therefore immigration reduced incomes. This is the kind of shoddy methodology I’d expect from pressure groups like MigrationWatch, but I would expect rather more of the Office for National Statistics – and indeed of a Minister of the Crown.

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehous ... migration/

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 Post subject: Re: 2011 Census Data
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Good blog that in the Spectator, and again with have government ministers shouting off dodgy statistics (Grayling and IDS are gold-medalists in this regard) and yet next to no comeback from anyone, and what's worse, the average punter will take it as gospel :evil:


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 Post subject: Re: 2011 Census Data
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Wow, there's a lot of fucking racist cunts in the comment though....


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 Post subject: Re: 2011 Census Data
PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 11:27 pm 
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jlewis89 wrote:
Just wait until they release the data about ethnicity and religion.


I'm rather looking forward to getting the religion results; and then ramming them up a parade of rightminds arseholes.


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 Post subject: Re: 2011 Census Data
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Bones McCoy wrote:
jlewis89 wrote:
Just wait until they release the data about ethnicity and religion.


I'm rather looking forward to getting the religion results; and then ramming them up a parade of rightminds arseholes.


I'm especially looking forward to the inevitable large drop in the percentage of Christians.


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