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 Post subject: The Mail & Pensioners
PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 5:24 pm 
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There seems to have been a glut of pensioner stories recently, probably to appeal the Daily Mail demographic. I thought a new thread may be handy to monitor some of these.

The liar, the witch and the wardrobe - pensioner and mute cousin ran £2.4m benefit scam from 'secret bedroom closet HQ'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/a ... ge_id=1770


Lonely pensioner arrested for killing friend 'after confessing murder to his cats'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/a ... ge_id=1770

Pensioner arrested and locked in cell for shouting at yobs who threw stones at ducks

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/a ... ge_id=1770

Secret funeral for 'Eleanor Rigby' pensioner after public appeal for mourners

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/a ... ge_id=1770


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 Post subject: Re: The Mail & Pensioners
PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 5:34 pm 
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The liar, the witch and the wardrobe - pensioner and mute cousin ran £2.4m benefit scam from 'secret bedroom closet HQ'
Lonely pensioner arrested for killing friend 'after confessing murder to his cats'
Pensioner arrested and locked in cell


I blame their parents.


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Paul wrote:
The liar, the witch and the wardrobe


I'm sure that was the Sun's headline for the 'missing canoeist' story. Can't the Mail even think up headlines of their own?


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 Post subject: Re: The Mail & Pensioners
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Paul wrote:
Pensioner arrested and locked in cell for shouting at yobs who threw stones at ducks


last 3 paragraphs wrote:
Chief Inspector Glenn Harper of Nottinghamshire Police said: "He was, however, young in service and with full sight of the circumstances, the officer can now appreciate the full consequences of the action taken, and therefore why I felt the need to intervene."

He said: "I apologise to Mr Marshall for the distress this experience has caused him and his family and I will ensure the necessary training needs are addressed."

Mr Harper confirmed that an inspector had since visited Mr Marshall at home to explain the case would not proceed to court. The boy who had accused the pensioner of common assault was also told the charge against Mr Marshall had been dropped.


Police made a mistake and have admitted it. SACK THE BASTARDS NOW. :roll:


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How Britain will be a nation of the elderly this century

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/a ... ge_id=1770

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Time the older population of the U.K. had their voices heard then-don't just brush us under the carpet-prices on everything are rising out of proportion-except that is for old age pensions-the coming pension rise in April has been more than swallowed up before we get it.

Pensioners and motorists join together and you will get the government you want, working for you for a change.

- Rob Baker, Chichester. England



How odd.


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If you're worried about your income then get a job, you layabout. Do you think the world owes you a living?


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Rob is envisaging an uprising with old fogeys and motorists storming parliament waving copies of the DM demanding to be heard....

I notice that the mail has left alone the thorny issue of an aging poulation with less people in work to pay for them..which is why we need mass immigration...lets all starve to death in a purely british country eh?

A population which is increasingly "aged" …along with a government that does not put care of the Elderly anywhere near the top of its priorities.

Low pensions - cold homes - poorer diets - abuse in residential homes and hospitals...

We should now be allowed euthanasia.

- Trish Niblock, Edinburgh


Ill help you love, where u want the needle to go?

The result of destroying a whole generation of 6,000,000 babies through abortion?

- Ken, Birkenhead UK

Yes ken shame you wernt one of them ...100 million sperm and you were the fastest.


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The result of destroying a whole generation of 6,000,000 babies through abortion?

- Ken, Birkenhead UK

Im amazed he didn't bring gay people into aswell, somehow.


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Great-grandfather, 71, in 28p council tax rebellion is ready to go to jail

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/a ... rtComments

The comments are so predictable with only one sensible one.


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Surely if this person is living with a severely disabled wife on just £200 per week, he would be entilted to Pensioner Credit which would mean he wouldn't have to pay council tax? His wife should be entitled to AA if she is so disabled.

Could it be that he doesn't want to apply for the benefits. The benefits are there and should be claimed by those in need.

- Barbara Brown, Southport, UK



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Great-grandfather, 71, in 28p council tax rebellion is ready to go to jail

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/a ... rtComments

The comments are so predictable with only one sensible one.


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Surely if this person is living with a severely disabled wife on just £200 per week, he would be entilted to Pensioner Credit which would mean he wouldn't have to pay council tax? His wife should be entitled to AA if she is so disabled.

Could it be that he doesn't want to apply for the benefits. The benefits are there and should be claimed by those in need.

- Barbara Brown, Southport, UK



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From the comments:

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I think I am a better judge of what services I want and how much to pay than the council


For fuck's sake, aside from the fact that you're clearly too stupid to judge anything, you appear to have missed the whole point of tax, which is to ensure that things we wouldn't voluntarily pay for but which society needs get funded.

I love the way the headline makes it sound like he's only refusing to pay 28p, when in fact it's 28% of his tax totalling £256.43.


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jonnyhead wrote:
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I think I am a better judge of what services I want and how much to pay than the council

Oh I love these people.
If we had a system whereby you could choose what services you pay for (and thus what services you receive), it would take an ungodly number of employees to keep up with it all -- at taxpayers expense of course.

As for "I think I'm a better judge". If you have all the figures in front of you and you've identified where savings could be made, and you have suggested them to the council who have ignored you, then yes you are a better judge.
Else STFU.


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You know what this is worth a pullapart.

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A pensioner who has stopped paying his council tax in a protest over the "lavish lifestyles" of staff has vowed to go to jail rather than pay up.

I wonder what these "lavish lifestyles" might be.

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Great-grandfather Walter Staniforth, 71, has refused to pay £256.43 since October.

He's a great grandfather. That's important, apparently.

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He and his severely disabled wife Mary, 68, who live on pensions and allowances totalling £200 a week, pay council tax of £639 a year on their three-bedroom home in Swinefleet, near Goole.

And she's severly disabled. Again, important to the facts.

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Yesterday Mr Staniforth asked Goole magistrates to excuse him the arrears owed to East Riding of Yorkshire council.

Without a lawyer, he told them he calculated that 28p in every pound of council tax went into the council's staff pension fund.

Did he now. Does he actually know this? What's it based on?

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He said: "I have paid towards staff pensions, laptops and mobile phones and there has been no public consultation over council tax rates."

Mobile phones count as "lavish lifestyle" do they?
And I seriously doubt that 28% of all expenses in a council is put into pensions.

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Magistrates threw out his request and ordered him to pay the outstanding bill, plus £70 costs. If he still refuses to pay, a further hearing could be arranged where he is jailed.

I wonder if he realises the irony here - that hearing will cost money, and guess who's paying (well, he is in part).

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Outside court Mr Staniforth, who walks with a stick after a double knee replacement, said: "It looks like I'm going to jail, but it doesn't frighten me.

Great grandfather. Severly disabled wife. Double knee replacement. All completely irrelevant to the facts. I also wonder if he had that replacement on the nhs.

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"They have not listened to one thing I said. Why should I pay out of my pension for these people to live a lavish lifestyle?

Translation: They've listened to what I said. They've gone away and made a judgement and I don't agree with that judgement. Therefore I'll claim they've ignored me.

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"I have paid taxes all my life and now they are making us scrap and scrape to get by. I should be able to live with what pension I have. They are not allowing me to do that."

You might well be right. But witholding tax creates more problems than it solves.

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The case is similar to that of another council tax 'martyr' Josephine Rooney, 69, who was jailed in 2006 after failing to pay money owed to Derby City Council.

The former Eucharistic minister said the council had "failed miserably" to deal with problems such as bad behaviour and disrepair of properties that blighted her street.

Maybe she was right. Maybe she was wrong. But what did her actions get her? Jail time (paid by the taxpayer) and, er, no change.


I don't get these council tax moaners.
I pay £1000 a year in council tax, and for that I get clean and maintained roads, unblocked drains, maintained parks, pretty plants to look at on bus journeys, help if my house is on fire, and all the other thousand thinks that councils provide that go unnoticed.
But noooo none of that counts, just pick on some made up figure about mobile phones.

I'm not saying councils are perfect. Some of them are shitfucks. But these incidents don't do anything. If you really want to make a change you have to think smart.


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He said: "I have paid towards staff pensions, laptops and mobile phones and there has been no public consultation over council tax rates."


Aren't laptop's and mobile phones pretty essential things for workers to have in the 21st Century, particularly if your job involves any sort of travel? Seems a rather silly explanation for potentially getting yourself jailed.


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It's the arrogance that gets me. Oh, I don't want to pay for this and that and those things, so I shouldn't have to. If such a system actually got implemented, can you imagine the chaos? The rich with private healthcare would opt out of paying tax on the NHS, Mail readers would opt out of... everything, lefties might reduce their tax spend on defence...

Basically, either a lot of things would have to be rationalised or scrapped, or things would simply collapse because few are willing to pay for them. It makes no sense. And may I point out that pensions are hardly the hallmark of a "lavish lifestyle", as this old coot seems to think.

It's like someone coming into my work and refusing to pay a certain percentage of the price, because it might be spent on acquiring bread and they're allergic to gluten. Not really motivated by altruism, more by selfishness and pennypinching. If, as has been suggested, he could claim his council tax money back in benefits, then why isn't he doing so?


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