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Tim Westwood? Fucking hell. I mean, yeah the guy is pretty absurd, but he's hardly fucking wrecked Britain by committing himself to promoting hip-hop for 20-odd years. I'm so bored of people taking a shot at Westwood these days, I say mad props to him for sticking with what he's doing in the face of pretty much universal criticism. There's no denying he genuinely loves his hip-hop.


I'm not a fan of Tim Westwood at all and can see why he gets criticism. I think claiming he's 'ruined Britain' is frankly a bit sinister though. Why is the fact that kids are listening to music of black origin inherently a bad thing?

I doubt the book will sell well, I can't imagine anyone who'd want to spend multiple pounds on a big whinge. It's a big step up from 40p a day or whatever it is.


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Tim Westwood? Fucking hell. I mean, yeah the guy is pretty absurd, but he's hardly fucking wrecked Britain by committing himself to promoting hip-hop for 20-odd years. I'm so bored of people taking a shot at Westwood these days, I say mad props to him for sticking with what he's doing in the face of pretty much universal criticism. There's no denying he genuinely loves his hip-hop.

It seems he was really struggling to find things to be angry about. Greg Dyke for moving the nine o'clock news? John McEnroe for shouting at a referee?

Letts has such a tediously moralistic worldview. For example, I agree with him about the 'fcuk' campaign, not because it was shocking but because it for many years managed to sell plain black t-shirts with completely uninspired slogans for ridiculous prices to twats who thought it was clever. Letts has to go too far though:

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Is bad language not often a precursor of other forms of anti-social and violent behaviour? If we do not protest about bad language, what hope have we of stopping thuggery and vandalism?


What?

His bit about Ted Heath seems nasty too, he includes him for the crime of sacking Enoch Powell, which, he says "made it almost impossible for British politicians to criticise immigration for the next 40 years", which ultimately meant that "By 2005 we had become a country in which the separation of cultures had fed an ethnic grievance culture which bred British Islamic terrorists". Ethnic grievance culture, indeed.


This is what I love about Daily Mail writers - their utter lack of self-consistency. Just looking down the list Quentin Letts has included 'Topsy and Tim'. His reason "Daddy is never distant, or batey, or hungover. He never has a snort of hard drink in the evenings. Not much of an introduction to modern Britain, is he? A Britain peopled by disciples of Topsy and Tim would not last long in the world of international terrorism. If we succumb to the worldview of Topsy and Tim, we might as well give up now."

Can anyone imagine the reaction of the Daily Mail if a popular children's series DID feature hard drinking adults and terrorism?


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4 James Callaghan

In March 1966, the Chancellor of the Exchequer, James Callaghan, made an announcement which changed - shortchanged - the British way of life.

For centuries our kingdom had maintained a quirky duo-decimal system of currency which sharpened our mental arithmetic, burnished our national identity and baffled foreigners.

It had survived the Norman invasion, the Hundred Years' War, plague, Oliver Cromwell, the Industrial Revolution, Napoleon, the Luftwaffe.

But Callaghan, bluff old 'Sunny Jim', sly and matey, bespectacled yet glinty of eye, was one atrocity too far. Heritage was trashed in the name of modernity.

Callaghan announced that pounds, shillings and pence had had their day. The date, February 15, 1971, when it came, was known as 'D-Day'. Decimalisation was a victory for the 'make it simple' brigade.

Multiples of 10 are easier than multiples of 12 (there were 12 pence in the old shilling, and 20 shillings in the old pound). In pre-decimal Britain, shop assistants thought nothing of doing agile arithmetic calculations, the like of which would baffle most of us today.

With our ancient coin names we had a link back to the currency of Anglo-Saxon times. We differed from much of Europe, certainly, but we were proud to be distinct.

Jim Callaghan and the political class of 1966 thought otherwise, alas. Damn them.


Seriously, what the hell. It was 37 years ago, Quentin.


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4 James Callaghan

In March 1966, the Chancellor of the Exchequer, James Callaghan, made an announcement which changed - shortchanged - the British way of life.

For centuries our kingdom had maintained a quirky duo-decimal system of currency which sharpened our mental arithmetic, burnished our national identity and baffled foreigners.

It had survived the Norman invasion, the Hundred Years' War, plague, Oliver Cromwell, the Industrial Revolution, Napoleon, the Luftwaffe.

But Callaghan, bluff old 'Sunny Jim', sly and matey, bespectacled yet glinty of eye, was one atrocity too far. Heritage was trashed in the name of modernity.

Callaghan announced that pounds, shillings and pence had had their day. The date, February 15, 1971, when it came, was known as 'D-Day'. Decimalisation was a victory for the 'make it simple' brigade.

Multiples of 10 are easier than multiples of 12 (there were 12 pence in the old shilling, and 20 shillings in the old pound). In pre-decimal Britain, shop assistants thought nothing of doing agile arithmetic calculations, the like of which would baffle most of us today.

With our ancient coin names we had a link back to the currency of Anglo-Saxon times. We differed from much of Europe, certainly, but we were proud to be distinct.

Jim Callaghan and the political class of 1966 thought otherwise, alas. Damn them.


Seriously, what the hell. It was 37 years ago, Quentin.


Anyone who really thinks we should have kept the old system just because it was quirky and old and nobody else had a currency system so needlessly complex and confusing, is a twat.

And what the fuck does 'burnished our national identity' mean?


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I love this notion that pre-decimal currency and imperial measures magically made people smarter. Based on absolutely sweet fuck all bar idiot nostalgia and terror of the "new". It's absolute arse.

Also, in my experience, anyone groaning about swearing being the root of all society's ills is lost for a good fucking slap.


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I love this notion that pre-decimal currency and imperial measures magically made people smarter. Based on absolutely sweet fuck all bar idiot nostalgia and terror of the "new". It's absolute arse.

Also, in my experience, anyone groaning about swearing being the root of all society's ills is lost for a good fucking slap.


No irony? :wink:


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Irony died when he complained about swearing in his book called "FIFTY PEOPLE WHO BUGGERED UP BRITAIN".


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No irony? Wink


Just the standard half-ton.


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I love this notion that pre-decimal currency and imperial measures magically made people smarter. Based on absolutely sweet fuck all bar idiot nostalgia and terror of the "new". It's absolute arse.


I'm (just) of the generation who had to learn their multiplication tables up to the "twelve times table", presumably because there were 12 pence to a shilling.

But frankly, the "11 times" and "12 times" tables are a piece of piss compared to, say, the "7 times" table.

If there had been 13 pence to a shilling,he might have a point. :lol:


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Funny, I'm well inside the decimalisation timeframe, but I was taught 'em to twelve too, possibly the 13 and 14 as well.

You are correct. The sevens were proper bastards.


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Funny, I'm well inside the decimalisation timeframe, but I was taught 'em to twelve too, possibly the 13 and 14 as well.

You are correct. The sevens were proper bastards.
how so .... it's not as if they are any different to any of the others and if you find it too much then remember it's your 10 times table less your three times table and you admit both of those are easy.

Personally I'd go back to the days when we culled those who didn't know what 7x8 was without hesitation.


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How dare he slag off Topsy and Tim! I used to love them when I was little. The artwork in the 70s editions was much better. Apparently I couldn't say it properly and I used to ask for "Tossy and Tin". Adorable moi!

Next he'll be having a go at Ant and Bee FFS!


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With all due respect, I was 9 years old at the time, and such wonders of shortcuts were less than apparent to me at the time.


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I suppose with his rose tinted yearnings for shillings, Letts has literally in the terminology of Chrlie Brooker, wanked for coins.


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Letts has really been beneath my radar up until now but I have been perusing his list of the people who wrecked Britain... and I can hardly believe how irritating it all is.


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Twins Topsy and Tim are sister and brother. They are aged five and have remained that age since they first blighted our culture in 1960.

They live in a town and lead lives of blameless, centre-Left orthodoxy. This being the New Era, girls and boys must be considered the same.

So sometimes it is Topsy who cries, sometimes wimpy Tim. Sometimes Topsy kicks a football, sometimes Tim admires a flower. Oh look, a pansy.

This is also true of Topsy and Tim's Mummy and Daddy. They share the household chores. Their bland characters are interchangeable. Mummy never succumbs to a bad mood. Daddy is never distant, or batey, or hungover.

He never has a snort of hard drink in the evenings. Not much of an introduction to modern Britain, is he?

Over the years the soppingly damp stories of Topsy and Tim have, inexplicably, sold more than 21 million copies.

A Britain peopled by disciples of Topsy and Tim would not last long in the world of international terrorism. If we succumb to the worldview of Topsy and Tim, we might as well give up now.


What is this fucking garbage? I mean, really. What is all this nonsensical whining about the parents in the story? They are characters in children's books not bloody Eastenders. Would Letts rather they were boozing and abusing their kids... in CHILDREN'S BOOKS? We all know which sorry excuse for a newspaper would be the first to decry the theft of our little darlings' innocence.

The girl in the stories occasionally kicks a football and this is supposed to contribute to their wrecking Britain?

"Blameless lives" in which men and women "share the household chores" are something to be derided as "centre-left orthodoxy?

Honestly, the man is a moron.


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