Mail vs Jimmy Carr

JamesFarrier · **Posted:** Sun Oct 25, 2009 12:20 am

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... utees.html

I'm going to pre-empt the Mail and assume this is going to be Ross/Brand Mk 2.

The main thing about Jimmy Carr is you know what you're in for, no subject area is taboo, so if you're likely to get hardons every time The Sun and The Mail goes on about Our Boys then you might be better off staying away from his shows.

The main thing is, it's a joke. It's not real. Of course injured troops aren't going to enter the Paraolympics. And yet the Mail encourages readers not to suspend their disbelief for one second and realise that, nope, they're going to write in to whoever may employ Carr and complain.

bluebellnutter · **Posted:** Sun Oct 25, 2009 12:40 am

JamesFarrier wrote:

so if you're likely to get hardons every time The Sun and The Mail goes on about Our Boys then you might be better off staying away from his shows.

That'll be Mr Mordon out then...* :lol:

I've submitted a comment that if you find this offensive you're part of the Stasi-PC thought police, ought to vex a few of them with any luck. Just as well this wasn't on the BBC or else we'd never hear the end of it. Oh if only Michael McIntyre had said it.

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Patrick Mercer, Conservative MP and former infantry commanding officer, added: ‘This was a remarkably dim and foolish thing to joke about. It’s not funny and this man’s career should end right now.’

Meanwhile, Defence Secretary Bob Ainsworth was said to be ‘furious’ over Carr’s joke. ‘Our Armed Forces put their lives on the line and deserve the utmost respect,’ he said.
On his website, Carr warns audiences for his tour that his shows are ‘rude, crude and offensive’.

FFS, really? As elected representatives, shouldn't you be doing something a bit more fucking important, like, oh I don't know, opening a church fete?

*That's a JOKE, OK, before you start, it's just a joke, so if anyone does start throwing toys, could they please not do so at me.

SAI · **Joined:** Mon Jul 20, 2009 8:06 pm **Posts:** 240

Had a crack at a comment with this

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He's. A. Comedian.
Also, he's well known for doing near the knuckle material. The fact that he's bothered to spend time visiting wounded troops (something I'll bet most of the masses who complain about this joke won't have bothered to do, by the way) shows that he's not actually callous or uncaring about the reality of what soldiers are actually going through.

When Bernard Manning died people fell over themselves to attempt to excuse his years of racist, sexist, rubbish on the grounds that he was a comedian. Why is Carr different?

bluebellnutter · **Posted:** Sun Oct 25, 2009 1:29 am

I did consider posting something about why Roy "cockface" Brown is so acceptable but this joke isn't, and why the Mail doesn't object to his material. Actually, I might do it now...

Fozzy · **Posted:** Sun Oct 25, 2009 1:42 am

Some might suggest it's not as offensive as writing an article in a national newspaper just before the funeral of a young man who died suddenly in his sleep, suggesting that he must have died in sordid circumstances because he was gay ...

Abernathy · **Posted:** Sun Oct 25, 2009 11:53 am

JamesFarrier wrote:

The main thing is, it's a joke. It's not real. Of course injured troops aren't going to enter the Paraolympics.

Well actually, they might. In fact previously very fit and active young men who suddenly find themselves lacking a limb or two are arguably just the sort of people who really do take part in the paralympics.

In which case the joke isn't just a joke, it has an element of plausibility to it as well. Which makes the knee-jerk outrage all the more ridiculous.

I don't actually find Jimmy Carr that funny, but there's really not much to take offence at in that joke.

LuciusAR · **Joined:** Wed Feb 18, 2009 5:09 am **Posts:** 766

Anyone who thinks this sort of thing is off topic in regards to jokes has never met a squaddie. Gallows humor is quite standard amongst troops.

Have any actual soldiers complained about this? I suspect its merely disgusted of tumbridge wells who has a problem.

Dan · **Joined:** Mon Sep 29, 2008 10:32 pm **Posts:** 233

The parents of Ben Parkinson have complained.

If he'd made this joke about homosexuality, black people, Muslims etc and someone complained, we'd hear the usual screams of PC Gone Mad. Typical Mailites.

bluebellnutter · **Posted:** Sun Oct 25, 2009 12:45 pm

The Mailites don't quite seem to know where to go with this. A lot of pro and a lot of anti comments, some of which of each are both red and green.

moonshien · **Posted:** Sun Oct 25, 2009 1:57 pm

Compare their reaction to their stout defence of the likes of Bernard Manning and their freedom of speech.

bluebellnutter · **Posted:** Sun Oct 25, 2009 1:58 pm

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Jimmy Carr has been around long enough for people to know that his dark humour spills out many a bad taste joke. Theyre even all over youtube. I dont condone this sort of humour but its what is expected from Jimmy Carr. If you do not wish to hear jokes such as these, simply do not go to the show.

- Jim H, england, 25/10/2009 1:39
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Incidentally, do all those who express moral outrage at this humour find the work of the likes of Roy "chubby" Brown acceptable? Only most of that makes this particular joke look pretty tame, to be honest. And yet I never see huge spreads and campaigns being launched against him.

- M. T. Hatcher, Canley, West Midlands, 25/10/2009 1:18
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Well what do you expect? Jimmy Carr is an edgy comedian. Is this country now so PC that we can't make jokes about anything now? I find nothing disgraceful in it at all, everyone should be possible to be joked about, or else we have a Stasi police state with thought police round every corner!

- M. T. Hatcher, Canley, West Midlands, 25/10/2009 0:24
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He's. A. Comedian.
Also, he's well known for doing near the knuckle material. The fact that he's bothered to spend time visiting wounded troops (something I'll bet most of the masses who complain about this joke won't have bothered to do, by the way) shows that he's not actually callous or uncaring about the reality of what soldiers are actually going through.

When Bernard Manning died people fell over themselves to attempt to excuse his years of racist, sexist, rubbish on the grounds that he was a comedian. Why is Carr different?

- Sam Inglis, Tonbridge, Kent, 25/10/2009 1:11
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OMG! It's a joke, it's comedy, it's not racist, it's not sexist, it's not Nick Griffin. Everything Jimmy Carr says on-stage is offensive - that's the point of his act(sic).

- Ben, Brighton, 25/10/2009 1:58
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So why is Ben in the red, but not the others? Is it due to the little dig at Nick Griffin, I wonder..?

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Its no joking matter Jimmy, Perhaps you'd like to try it.

- Bob Burns, Bury St. Edmunds, 25/10/2009 0:47
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well i never liked him . yet another plonker on tv who is not funny . making lots of money ,
i am proud of our forces and the sacrifices they make and have made for generations .
if he could only get that onto his thick scull , some things are ment to be unwriten rules and speaking of certain people is number 1 ..
very big shame on you mr carr

- paul, bangor county down ., 25/10/2009 0:30
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Presumably paul, bangor also objects to jokes about Muslims and the like, although something makes me doubt it...

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He wouldn't think it funny if it was him who lost his limbs.What a horrible evil man.

- steve, preston uk, 25/10/2009 0:50
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Evil? Fuck off.

Mr Mordon · **Posted:** Sun Oct 25, 2009 2:00 pm

In response to your cheeky dig bluebell. I think Jimmy's a bit of a cock end to be honest and so wouldn't go to see his show anyhow.

Maybe what Littlejohn writes is really just a load of jokes in the guise of nasty generalisations, so maybe we shouldn't read his columns for fear of being offended?

bluebellnutter wrote:

Presumably paul, bangor also objects to jokes about Muslims and the like, although something makes me doubt it...

Maybe, maybe not, but rather a generalised assumption isn't it?

Malcolm Armsteen · **Posted:** Sun Oct 25, 2009 2:28 pm

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if he could only get that onto his thick scull , some things are ment to be unwriten rules

Meh.

bluebellnutter · **Posted:** Sun Oct 25, 2009 2:34 pm

Mr Mordon wrote:

Maybe what Littlejohn writes is really just a load of jokes in the guise of nasty generalisations, so maybe we shouldn't read his columns for fear of being offended??

But there is a bit of a difference, isn't there? I mean this is a joke by a stand-up comedian in a theatre with, perhaps, 1,000 people present, if that, as part of a set. Whereas the other regurgitates the same stuff every week to 2,000,000 (at least) people.

The fact that Carr has been to visit injured soldiers in a hospital indicates he obviously doesn't think this sort of thing in real life. When was the last time Littledick volunteered handing out soup in a refuge for immigrants?

Admirable Chrichton · **Posted:** Sun Oct 25, 2009 3:09 pm

I wouldn't be surprised if Carr actually picked up the joke from the injured soldiers. Members of the armed forces usually use a lot of gallows humour (and who could blame them?)

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