I doubt many more will be added to this thread - extraordinary to see them run this story so close to an election.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... error.html

Tories in 'dodgy' statistics row over false claims of soaring teenage pregnancies

Dodgy shouldn't be in inverted commas. They seriously fucked up.



Makes a pretty massive difference actually. If someone can't tell the difference between 5.4% and 54% when concocting a smear campaign then I don't really want them in power.

Unless they are calculating the rise in my pension...

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From the Mail editorial team.

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Did the Tories cover up the truth about Hillsborough? As officials block the release of Cabinet papers on the football disaster, families of the victims raise a disturbing theory...

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z1WD1VWXVU

It's a pity the term "conspiracy theory" these days has connotations with ridiculous suggestions and whacky individuals or groups putting forward ideas for the reasons for all manner of events because there's nothing outlandish about this one. She visited Hillsborough a day later, a day after that was the infamous front page of the Sun. Probably a coincidence but... politicians and Murdoch publications....we now know all about their cosy little relationship.

I would'nt put anything past Thatcher. In my opinion, she deliberately engineered the Falklands war for her own purposes. Look at the facts, by the end of '81 she was in serious trouble, unemployment had rocketed, the opinion polls were putting her at an incredibly low level, what do do? simple have a war. Dictators have often used foreign wars to divert attention from problems at home.

It was known at the time that the Argentinians were making noises about sovereignty of the islands so she chose that moment to announce massive cuts in the Royal Navy, and withdrew the only naval presence in the area, HMS Endurance, practically inviting the invasion. Contrast this with James Callaghan's response when faced with a similar situation in 1977, he just sent the Ark Royal to patrol around for a couple of weeks. Result, no lives lost, no fuss, no war.

The ploy worked, the bum wiping newspapers exploded in an orgy of jingoistic crap and she won the following years general election.

She used the police like stormtroopers in the miners strike so it fits in that she covered up for their bad handling of this tragedy by shifting the blame onto the Liverpool fans, after all, they were just unimportant Labour voting working class oiks werent they?

Yet another one on of the endless list of reasons why I HATE THAT EVIL BITCH!!!!!!

Not just that.

1. The British Nationality Act. a horribly racist piece of legislation that was designed to limit Brit nationality to those who could prove British-born ancestry within 5 generations (fair enough, Labour had introduced similar legislation in the late '60s). The driving force was a belief that we'd be inundated with Hong Kong Chinese following the handover but it accidentally made most Falklanders stateless.

2. Nicholas 'cunt' Ridley visited the islands in 1981, urging them to accept the Argentine-proposed 'buyback' plan. He was quoted as saying he'd mourn the loss of the Falklands less than the loss of British holdings in France back in medieval times, because at least you got decent wine out of France.

3. The withdrawl of RN patrol of the area, as mentioned. And cutting supply to the islands from 6-monthly to annually.

4. By 1981 the Tories were doing disastrouslly in opinion polls.

I have personal reasons for believing that the Falklands are British territory (and deserve to remain so - the islanders identify as British, they were settled and populated by Brits, and sooner or later we'll need the oilfield they're sitting on and access to Antarctica); and that the servicemen who died retaking the islands died in a just cause.

But it sticks in my craw that the war may have been engineered. Hell, I'm a history graduate, I know that sometimes things just happen (the 'cock-up' theory of history, as opposed to the KBD one). Yes. Thatcher's response was the right one. But if she was acting as Ozymandias, engineering a war she knew ....

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No, to hell with that. The Falklands were a bloody difficult fight to win. A supply line 12,000 miles long and as vulnerable as hell? In the middle of an Antarctic winter? Only a total lunatic would pick that fight.

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Hang on...

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They're always so quick to call for 'a debate' on other subjects, though.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/artic ... -want.html

They are attacking some kind of Toryism in this, of course the voters don't want Old style Toryism.... some voters like the Tory members they asked want old style Toryism. They probably also want homosexuality banned and for anyone without a white face sent "home". So we don't tend to listen.

Nice to see the membership still lives in a 1930's that never actually existed.

this fits comfortably with the mail's agenda; a back-to-the-future golden age that never was.

the mail has been in one huge fucking strop since nov.22, 1990. not one tory leader - not one - has measured up to the supreme being that is thatcher, in their view and this survey offers ammo aplenty in their war to convert cameron and the tory leadership to 'traditional' values.

Thing is that the supreme being Thatcher (spit) did'nt have traditional values anyway. She imported an alien economic philosophy from the USA based on the moneterist theories of Milton Friedman and she just weakened British institutions and sold off national assets to froeign multinationals and get rich quick merchants. The result was we lost our traditional manufacturing base and became dependant on imports.

Also, she deregulated broadcasting, allowing more filth than ever, the kind of stuff the DM gets riled about. I've said this before, but the DM likes to live in the 50s, but economically, the 50s were based on a state interventionist, socialist model. If you tried to go back there, it would explode with apopleptic rage - "THE UNIONS TAKING OVER THE COUNTRY" "RAILWAYS, BUSES AND UTILITIES BACK IN THE INEFFICIENT PUBLIC SECTOR" etc etc.

In many ways the traditional, relatively orderly Britain, without an underclass, which the DM constantly seems to want was wrecked by that EVIL BITCH WHO I FUCKING HATE!!!!!!

Nothing traditional about Thatch, she was a radical who made Heath and all the other post war Conservative leaders look quite left wing.

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